So working on a little concept here. Basically a Caesar salad of sorts. Take all of your one type of "thing", whether it be a theme or a flavor, or a taste, or a group of tastes, whatever you want to make. Put low percentages of all the flavorings you choose. Choose at least 7 or so flavorings. Just keep adding them on.
I decided to make some fruit salad. So, I took all my flavorings that I thought would decently match, TFA Dragonfruit, TFA Kiwi Double, CAP Grape, CAP Blueberry, CAP Lemon Lime, FA Lemon Sicily, TFA Strawberry (Ripe), FW Watermelon, FW Blood Orange, FA Bilberry, INW Cherry, TFA Cotton Candy, INW Pineapple, TFA Banana (Ripe), INW Raspberry.
Took all these and did them as a normal recipe with normal percents (whats listed here are derived from the final outcome, they're a bit funky at this point.
- TFA Dragonfruit 6.0
- TFA Kiwi Double 5.5
- CAP Grape 5.0
- CAP Blueberry 4.5
- CAP Lemon Lime 4.5
- FA Lemon Sicily 4.5
- TFA Strawberry (Ripe) 4.0
- FW Blood Orange 4.0
- FW Watermelon 3.5
- FA Bilberry 2.0
- INW Cherry 1.5
- TFA Cotton Candy 1.5
- INW Pineapple 1.5
- TFA Banana (Ripe) 1.0
- INW Raspberry 1.0
Take all your percents add them up, these add up to 50%. So make that TotalPercentage and divide it into 100.
100/TotalPercentage, 100/50 = 2
So we multiply all our percentages by 2 to get what we're going to use for our final concentrate recipe.
TIPTUP300'S Tossed Fruit Salad
- TFA Dragonfruit 12%
- TFA Kiwi Double 11%
- CAP Grape 10%
- CAP Blueberry 9%
- CAP Lemon Lime 9%
- FA Lemon Sicily 9%
- TFA Strawberry (Ripe) 8%
- FW Watermelon 7%
- FW Blood Orange 8%
- FA Bilberry 4%
- INW Cherry 3%
- TFA Cotton Candy 3%
- INW Pineapple 3%
- TFA Banana (Ripe) 2%
- INW Raspberry 2%
Okay, now mix it all together. Congratz you have a new complex concentrate to work with. This one came out tasting like a much more snappy and twangy CAP Harvest Berry. It had that gummy taste and almost a bit of a thick marshmallowy cream to it. Very tasty.
I'm very excited to see how it steeps and how it interacts with other flavors.
Make sure to use this concentrate very lightly in your recipes. Around 2% to start. And estimate where you want it.
Here next I'm going to put up my White Cream Salad. Maybe a Custard Salad. I'm excited to try them.
Please try to make your own off your own ingredients , make sure to estimate your ingredients to where no one ingredient really pops up and covers everything. UNLESS that's what you're going for!
Thanks guys!
Please share your own salads, I'd love to see what everyone has to toss around!
I like the idea here but having 15 different flavors in this mix makes it so you'll never know what is muting what. The cotton candy will mute everything but beyond that it's anyone guess.
I mean realistically you're only going to be able to make out a few different fruits in this mix. Diminishing returns happens quite fast when mixing this many flavors. A lot of these are going to provide no benefit what so ever because either they will be completely over taken by another flavor or they are so similar chemically they just boost another fruit making it redundant to have in the mix.
I would argue that starting out with 3-5 different fruits and experimenting by balancing out those flavors would work better here. You can then add any tartness or sweetness you would like from there.
That's not really the point though, as long as you make close enough estimations certain aspects will be boosted by each concentrate and certain aspects will be muted. Since the concentrates you choose are all ones that fit the overall concept you're looking for, they'll all share the same volatiles that you're looking for.
This is what makes it unique. The thing that keeps it in check is that you can set the final recipe using the recipe to a lower percentage before the main flavor gets muted.
Starting with 3-5 fruits seems a lot more safe, but I feel like it defeats the point.
Alright, well I'll give you an example as to why this will be a nightmare to fix if you get any notes you don't like.
If I mixed this base up at any percentage all I would taste would be TFA Banana (Ripe). One drop or 2% it's all the same to me. Now lets say you are getting some weird floral note from something. Which one is it coming from? You don't know. Sure you can lower the percentage of the base you mix but if you go lower it's going to cut out some of the background notes that you might actually like all because of just one flavor that is a tad bit too high.
Instead of working a single flavor into your mix you're creating a base at random and making the base work by manipulating the percentages so you have no control of what the final, vapeable, product is. Are the tart red notes too high? Too bad because you can't get rid of them. Don't like how it's starting to taste like cough medicine? Too bad because just one of those flavors is too high and you can't fix it now because you don't know which one it is.
I'm not saying this wont work for you but a lot of the times this will give you more of a headache than it's worth.
These are good points and I haven't fully tested it yet.
I suppose I should have framed the post more as a "Here's the experiment I'm trying out, try it yourself if you want"
But for my first one....it actually worked pretty damn well. I'm going to see if things change as they steep, but for the Fruit Salad it came out....really tasty! Maybe that's just luck and having a good enough knowledge to guess which percentage should be about where.
But it worked this time. It tastes good, it tastes unique. So it could PROBABLY be performed again with different ingredients and still get good results.
[EDIT: For the one drop or 2% of TFA Banana (Ripe), it's 2% of 2%, so it's 0.02% which is much less than a drop. This is why you use so many flavorings, only the part of the flavors you like add together and overpower the other side tastes]
Used "My First Order" Flavors list to make some salads that more people will be able to make.
Used ATF's average percents to derive the percents to use.
My First Fruit Salad
>No VG/PG added. This is a concentrate recipe, not a ejuice recipe. Recommended Starting Percentage 3%
- TFA Strawberry (Ripe) 12%
- TFA Dragonfruit 8%
- TFA Strawberry 11%
- FA Fuji 7%
- TFA Raspberry (Sweet) 7%
- INW Cactus 3%
- FA Lemon Sicily 5%
- CAP Sweet Strawberry 11%
- TFA Peach (Juicy) 12%
- TFA Pear 10%
- FA Kiwi 8%
- TFA Pineapple 6%
Community Cream Salad
>No VG/PG added. This is a concentrate recipe, not a ejuice recipe. Recommended Starting Percentage 3%
- TFA Bavarian Cream 16%
- TFA Vanilla Swirl 15%
- TFA Vanilla Bean Ice Cream 22%
- TFA Marshmallow 11%
- FA Cream Fresh 8%
- FA Meringue 7%
- CAP New York Cheesecake 21%
You Sir, made my day.
i've been tinkering with creams for a year now trying to go for "complex" but ended up with muddled flavors. With the salad idea, i mixed my cream salad, added it at 5% to some strawberries and the result is the closest ive ever gotten to Kiwiberry Yogurt by Kilo (i dont have the kiwi notes in it yet) very thankful for your post
here is a link to my cream salad and the strawberry cream recipe i used it in, which was inspired by Ken O'Where's Strawnana Custard
edit: Couldn't have made my cream salad without the help of Vurve's Ice Cream Bases post, thank you
Thank you! I'm glad that worked well for you.
The idea is loosely inspired by the recipe SMOTHER-U by /u/MatthewKocanda . It mostly just had a huge amount of similar things that just kicked the flavor profile in, sort of smothering it in.
Going with the idea of using a large number of concentrates I made Custard where I just threw in almost anything I had that would sort of fit custard. I let it steep for a week and...Woow. is that some good ass Custard! One of my customers offered $2 for the like 5ml leftover of it.
I figured I might be able to extend the idea further.
I could add this as a mode for the Random Recipes generator on All The Flavors. :)
A way to automate the
List:
- X 2%
- Y 3%
- Z 4%
> totalPercent = (x+y+z);
> xFinal = x * (100/totalPercent);
> yFinal = y * (100/totalPercent);
> zFinal = z * (100/totalPercent);
FinalList:
- X 22.22%
- Y 33.33%
- Z 44.44%
Would be awesome. Like a automated Stone or Salad maker. Convert normal inputted percentage values or ATF retrieved averages for each recipe into 100% ratios. Bigger more random concentrate recipes would be a salad, smaller more refined concentrate recipes would be a stone.
TIPTUP300'S White Cream Salad
- FW Vanilla Bean Ice Cream 9%
- CAP NY Cheesecake 9%
- CAP Creamy Yogurt 11%
- TFA Bavarian Cream 12%
- CAP Simply Vanilla 9%
- TFA Sweet Cream 3%
- [V2] CAP French Vanilla 12%
- TFA Cotton Candy 1%
- FA Yogurt 3%
- LA Cream Cheese Icing 7%
- FA Bourbon (Vanilla Bourbon) 4%
- FA Vienna Cream 4%
- FA Cream Fresh 6%
- FA Meringue 4%
- CAP Marshmallow 3%
- CAP Golden Butter 3%
No VG/PG. This is a concentrate recipe, not a ejuice recipe.
Recommended Starting Percentage 3%
I made a second version using the Alltheflavor averages for each flavor, they came out pretty dang close to the values I chose. Maybe that could be a way of automating the process? /u/queuetue You have any APIs available for pulling data? ha
Do you have any idea how many volatiles are in this? I bet that 20-30 is lowballing it. How on earth did you decide on those individual percentages? What's your thought process? Notes on why used these particular flavors? Do you know how they interact in groups of 3 for example? I bet my ass that you can achieve the same profile with half the ingredients tops. And this is just the few points that made my brows skyrocket off of my forehead when I was this post.
> Do you have any idea how many volatiles are in this? I bet that 20-30 is lowballing it.
- Probably more than 14. The ethyl maltol was unnecessary, but the outcome is still very tasty with it.
> How on earth did you decide on those individual percentages?
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Read the post. I set percentages as I would normally in a 4-5 ingredient recipe. I like to keep my percents low for each flavor. They are adjusted slightly to accent the overall concentrate recipe differently.
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If anything this is the only "new" way of writing up the process. Instead of creating a concentrate from the ground up thinking in terms of getting to 100%, it's starting the concentrate recipe as you would a normal one, with normal percentages (9-14%). From there math it out and get it to 100.
> What's your thought process?
- Read the post. It's an experimental technique for mixing.
> Notes on why used these particular flavors?
- Read the post. As I described, they are all the fruits that I currently have. I was testing the technique using the same concept as a Caesar salad, these are the things that I have, what can I use them for?
> Do you know how they interact in groups of 3 for example? I bet my ass that you can achieve the same profile with half the ingredients tops.
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Yes, but that's unrelated to what I'm describing. I doubt you could get exactly the same profile without some very careful planning, you could get similar, but it just wouldn't be the same. This is a very specific experimental way of mixing which can be combined into typical mixing by using it as a more complex concentrate.
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It's also very quick to do, I haven't went into full debugging of my recipe yet. If anything it'll be easier to adjust by bumping up the off flavors I identify and enjoy.
> And this is just the few points that made my brows skyrocket off of my forehead when I was this post.
- Please continue.