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Is there a trick to getting juices to have a lingering taste?
submitted over 8 years ago by fastandorbulbous

I've read that sweetener can help with this. I've tried adding Capella's Super Sweet sparingly but after the vapour's gone there's just a faint sweet taste left.

It could easily be my equipment as I'm a relatively new vaper and don't have many tanks to test on, but I'd love to know if there's a technique to this or if I'm missing something, thanks!

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by abdadaover 8 years agoShady's back, tell a friend

TFA Marshmallow -- it has diacetyl, acetoin, acetyl propionyl and other thick volatiles that enhance mouthfeel and lingering taste.

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by fastandorbulbousover 8 years ago

Beautiful, thanks for the quick response!

Just while I have your attention, would you drop this into any recipe at around 0.5% or so on top of the other concentrates?

Cheers!

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by abdadaover 8 years agoShady's back, tell a friend

It's hard to say because the vanillin and maltol (NOT ethyl maltol in this case) can wipe out some flavors very easily, or accentuate others. I'd actually start low -- 0.1% or 0.2% to start. It's a long steep on that one; the sweet will be powerful at first but should die down in a week or two. Test in 15 days, then re-test in 30 days. If you need more mouthfeel or lingering, adjust by 0.1% and retest.

TFA Marshmallow is probably the most powerful mouthfeel concentrate there is at the moment because it works, but if you abuse it, you will blow out flavors and mute everything. Don't abuse it.

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by Fuzzy05over 8 years agoDiketones, Schmiketones

Strange, ive never noticed it muting flavors while using it at 1%. Also maltol is way less potent than ethyl maltol i also never heard of vanillin muting flavors either.

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by fastandorbulbousover 8 years ago

What are you, my mother?

Nah, I won't let you down. Is it really mouthfeel I'm after? I've seem that term in a lot of flavour reviews and of course cooking shows but honestly never knew what it meant.

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by sweaty_clitorisover 8 years ago

Everyone is going to give you different advice, but I put marshmallow in every recipe for the mouthfeel at that percentage. I usually only mix with custards, creams and fruits so I cannot comment on how it would react with other, more challenging extracts.

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by chipfoxover 8 years agoYellow Cake Apologist

There is no diacetyl in TFA Marshmallow.

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by abdadaover 8 years agoShady's back, tell a friend

2.5 ppm diacetyl in TFA Marshmallow. Per the TFA spec sheet.

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by chipfoxover 8 years agoYellow Cake Apologist

There is no mention of diacetyl on their spec sheets.

https://shop.perfumersapprentice.com/componentlist.aspx?sku_search=339343

But they do use acetoin obviously so many that's where it could come from. Was it standard practice to use such crazy low concentrations? That seems so low it would have no impact on taste

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by IAmAdamsAppleover 8 years ago

For certain flavors I like to hold back as little as .3% of the 'feature' flavor to add the day before or the morning I plan on using it. Works well with most fruit flavors, strawberry in particular.

Also when developing recipes, I will often mix the flavors I plan to use into vapable single flavor versions, then mix the actual juices until I get a version i like. I tend to do it with new flavors in particular. From there is easy to get percentages to mix everything in a single batch.

It also allows for different steeping times for different flavors within the same batch. For instance I might make a strawberry custard by mixing the custard and steeping for a week, then adding the strawberry and only waiting a day or two.

This method allows for the use of flavors that have vastly different steep times, and tends to make the balance more stable imo.

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by MistaMaciiiover 8 years ago

I would say that it depends mostly on the flavor extract used. There are lots of flavorings that will give you density and depth to your vape. Or you may be looking for something like sugar lips, the effect a something like a swisher sweet has after you hit it and you lick your lips, sweet flavor: sucralose

edit: if you are looking for diy e liquid tips, DIY OR DIE is a great source, like giving density/depth/etc to your vape

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by fastandorbulbousover 8 years ago

Thanks, that site's new to me

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by vapesupplyclubover 8 years ago

I tried Lost Arts Strawberry strike with TFN and there was a ton of sweetener in it, had a lingering taste for a while, but clogged my coils

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by BlazeDemBeatzover 8 years agoMentholatier

Lost art uses so much sweetner it's ridiculous. I bought one bottle of their stuff one time and never again. They have to be using 5+ % sweetner.

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by sensfan5555over 8 years ago

Once again abdada blows my mind with his knowledge. Please post more often :) some subjects only you can make me Comprehend :p

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