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"I just want a real, non-dessert coffee vape." / "Say no more, fam. I got you."
submitted over 8 years ago by RuntDastardlyBursting with dorky enthusiasm for mixing

I had my first cup of coffee in 1979 when I was six years old at the Marietta diner in Georgia at 1AM on a family road trip.

This recipe is a love letter to one of my fondest childhood memories.

Marietta - a simple cup of coffee through the sweet looking glass of nostalgia.

  • TFA Bavarian Cream - 2%
  • FA Tiramisu (Booster) - 0.5%
  • MF Coffee - 2%
  • CAP Marshmallow - 1.5%
  • CAP Sweet Cream - 1.5%
  • CAP Vanilla Whipped Cream - 1.5%

Total Flavor: 9%
Recommended Base: 70/30 VG/PG
Minimum Steep Time: 30+ Days (sorry!)

RECIPE NOTES/SUGGESTED SUBSTITUTIONS

THE COFFEE MF Coffee & FA Tiramisu: I know the first question anyone will have is "Can I substitute the Medicine Flower Coffee in this?" the short answer is a resounding "Nope!" It's expensive, it's tough to mix with, the steep time is infuriating, and MF will short you out of at least 3ml of your costly 15ml bottle every time. It is still the best coffee flavoring you will ever get your hands on in this life, at least for the moment. If you truly want a delicious coffee vape with no skunky weirdness or dessert-like fuckery, bite the bullet and grab some MF Coffee. FA Tiramisu, aptly nicknamed "Booster", does exactly that, and gives it a nice little roasty/richness/sweetness boost to it at 0.50% without turning it into some overly-sweet Starbucked-up abomination. You might be able to sub this with INW Mocca, but, despite having this flavor, I've not tried it, and couldn't guess at a good percentage other than to say maybe 1% or less.

THE CREAM TFA Bavarian Cream, CAP Sweet Cream, CAP Vanilla Whipped Cream & CAP Marshmallow: I'm in love with TFA Bavarian Cream, and at 2% it perfectly balances that coffee, wrapping it in rich, snuggly creaminess without weighing it down too much. This you can absolutely substitute at the same percentage with your Bavarian Cream of choice, be it Lorann's, Jungle Flavor's, or Flavor West's, it's all good. CAP Sweet Cream adds a sweet dairy note, and lifts the Bavarian Cream out of the pudding zone. If you don't have it, a blend of 1% FLV Cream or FA Cream Fresh and 0.5% Vienna Cream will work, too. CAP Vanilla Whipped Cream adds a nice complexity to the cream, and at 1.5% doesn't add enough of a vanilla note to complicate matters. You can sub this with TFA Vanilla Swirl at the same percentage, but, CAP WC is just so much better here. And, finally, CAP Marshmallow at 1.5% makes the whole thing thick and lush, giving you satisfying, pillowy clouds, but, don't bother if you have Capella's "new" version of Marshmallow, because it's not the same thing, sadly. They introduced this modified version to deal with the global shortage of Tahitian vanilla, and it's a serious step down in quality. If you still have some OG Capella Marshmallow on hand use it for this, because it's perfect. (You can tell because it's dark brown in color and smells like vanilla sugar in the bottle. The New stuff is pale yellow and smells like nothing in the bottle.) If not, you can sub it with 1.5% TFA Marshmallow, or a mix of 1% TFA Marshmallow & 0.5% FA Marshmallow if you're feeling fancy.

Okay, so, this next part sucks, and I'm sorry, but, you cannot rush this recipe. It takes a full month to steep, minimum and not a second before. (Honestly, even longer is better) Don't mix it with a milk frother. Don't try to speed it up with heat/ultrasonic. Don't. Don't. Don't. Just make sure all of the flavors are meticulously shaken before they're dripped in, add your nicotine and preferred base, cap it tightly, shake the bejeezus out of it, note the day you mixed it and put it away somewhere cool and dark for at least 30 days. MF Coffee goes through some pretty gross and weird changes throughout the steeping process, and after more than a year and a half of working on this recipe, with countless revisions, I promise you, it won't be where it should be any sooner than that.

But, I swear, after that 30+ days is up, what you'll find in that bottle is a dark, rich, authentic cup of coffee with cream and a little sugar and nothing more. If you want to add anything else to it, please, go nuts, because I'm dying to see what people add to this base, but, all I was looking for from the start was just a real and accurate coffee vape. So, I beg you to mix this up 1:1 first, so you can taste it in all it's simple, satisfying glory.

Excellent variations I've found include: 1% DIYFS Holy Vanilla (or FA Vanilla Bourbon or CAP French Vanilla), or 0.30% FLV Rich Cinnamon, or a mix of 0.50% FLV Caramel & 0.50% FLV Butterscotch for some uber-sweet Starbucks style dessert-coffee-milkshake nonsense. I also imagine FW Butterscotch Ripple, FW Butter Pecan or FW Hazelnut would be bitchin', but I've not tried any of those yet, because I tend to find the recipe as-posted more than satisfying.

So, there you have it! I've said, and heard, for so long that there is no such thing as a good coffee vape that this recipe was more-or-less finished in May 2016, but, I've fearfully sat on it all this time, because I really wondered if it was as good as I thought it was. Which is why I'd like to thank ATF user fairtradesloth for taking a leap of faith, buying all the ingredients, mixing it up, then coming back with the feedback that gave me the courage to finally post it. He's the real MVP!

EDIT: "Marietta" on ATF / "Marietta" on ELR

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by Apexifiedover 8 years agoSuckling from the teats of Daenerys Targaryen

This is an elaborate and demanding recipe. Love it! I only have a few bottles of MF and coffee isn't one of them, unfortunately. But I do have some Stixx Mixx Italian Roast which is naturally extracted coffee. I'll try it with that just for the hell of it (while I debate over purchasing some MF Coffee;)

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by RuntDastardlyover 8 years agoBursting with dorky enthusiasm for mixing

Oh, please, please, please let me know that turns out? If there's another coffee flavor out there that works, I need to know about it.

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by Apexifiedover 8 years agoSuckling from the teats of Daenerys Targaryen

Absolutely. My single flavor tester has been steeping 2 weeks as of tomorrow so I'll try that to gauge how potent the Italian Roast is and then mix up your recipe with it.

2% seems on the higher side for MF (from what I've seen) is it pretty strong or just realistic?

2 points
 
by RuntDastardlyover 8 years agoBursting with dorky enthusiasm for mixing

Yeah, you're right about that, 2% undiluted is definitely high for a MF flavor, but, I started this recipe at 0.5% and 2% turned out to be the best balance against the creams.

I know there are people with better and broader experience with MF flavors than me who use them at a 10% dilution, and still come nowhere close to 2% in their recipes, but, this was what worked here.

As far as is it strong or realistic? I actually like my analog coffee dark-roasted and strongly-brewed, so, it's a realistic cup of good coffee to me, if that helps.

3 points
 
by HocusKrokusover 8 years agoFrugivore

That italian roast is excellent. His Kona is pretty rock solid as well.

1 points
 
by RuntDastardlyover 8 years agoBursting with dorky enthusiasm for mixing

Thank you both so much for the Stixx Mixx lead! This is super promising, because theirs is a naturally extracted coffee flavor like MF's is, which I think is possibly the deciding factor in terms of making a coffee flavor that's actually good.

2 points
 
by HocusKrokusover 8 years agoFrugivore

Most of the Stixx line is pretty great. Some are a bit on the weak side for the price point, the difference being that Stixx is just a one dude operation without a large facility or wholesaling / distribution set up.

3 points
 
by ID10-Tover 8 years agoWinner of the 2nd DIYorDIE World Mixing Championship

I just want to thank you for the phase "overly-sweet Starbucked-up abomination." I've said it before, I think, but I love your way with words.

3 points
 
by Apexifiedover 8 years agoSuckling from the teats of Daenerys Targaryen

I've been working on that coffee I showed you awhile back and I might have to use that phrase in the description (assuming /u/RuntDastardly doesn't mind) because that's exactly what I'm going for.

3 points
 
by ID10-Tover 8 years agoWinner of the 2nd DIYorDIE World Mixing Championship

You're going for an "overly-sweet Starbucked-up abomination?"

3 points
 
by Apexifiedover 8 years agoSuckling from the teats of Daenerys Targaryen

Exactly

1 points
 
by RuntDastardlyover 8 years agoBursting with dorky enthusiasm for mixing

<3

3 points
 
by RinVapesover 8 years ago

Urgh... I thought it was only me who got "skunk" from nearly every coffee flavoring. I will keep MF coffee in mind.

3 points
 
by RuntDastardlyover 8 years agoBursting with dorky enthusiasm for mixing

Coffee flavors seem to run the gamut of gross off-notes from skunk, to burning tires, to singed hair, to tasteless saline solution, to sugary death meets a vague whiff of old coffee breath. They're, for the most part, pretty brutal.

3 points
 
by danielfromparisover 8 years ago

what an interesting recipe! anyone knows where to buy MF flavours in europe?

2 points
 
by slumberlandover 8 years ago

My favorite coffees are IW Tiramisu, IW Coffee Tobacco, and IW Coffee Paradise Tobacco, fwiw. As I have no idea what MF Coffee coffee tastes like and am unlikely to look into it, i'll just put my favorite coffee recipe here. All IW, its called 2:54 special

Walnut 1.10%

Karamel 1.50%

VFP 2.00%

Peanut 2.00%

Wanilla 2.00%

Coffee tobacco 2.00%

edit: VFP is vanilla for pipe, a major favorite.

2 points
 
by RuntDastardlyover 8 years agoBursting with dorky enthusiasm for mixing

Inawera makes a Tiramisu?! Man, I need to get my hands on that one.

I've heard Vanilla for Pipe is great, too. It's been sitting on my wish list forever. Might need to pick that one up soon.

As for Inawera coffee flavors, they have me pretty gun-shy after a nasty run in with INW WG Coffee, but, Coffee Tobacco does sound intriguing.

7 points
 
by slumberlandover 8 years ago

http://i.imgur.com/1Px8CjZ.jpg

3 points
 
by Apexifiedover 8 years agoSuckling from the teats of Daenerys Targaryen

Never thought I'd see so much Inawera in one spot

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by thedirtyprojectorover 8 years agoMixologist

Are the orange shoes there for scale?

3 points
 
by slumberlandover 8 years ago

really? i have like 8 liters. make you a deal. 1 liter bottles ;)

honestly... i'll be right back

3 points
 
by RuntDastardlyover 8 years agoBursting with dorky enthusiasm for mixing

Haha! Thank you, but, I... I wouldn't even know where to begin to use a liter of any Inawera flavor! @.@

3 points
 
by cjinctover 8 years ago

This is my fave coffee http://e-aromashop.com/e-flavour-coffee-10-ml-p-28.html

It's INW Coffee (Kawa) in the regular e-aromat line, NOT the WG line.

2 points
 
by BitOfAMisfitover 8 years ago

I know this is nearly 2 weeks old and I apologize, but I just found this and had a question.

You use the undiluted concentrate they sell.. Do you know if the 10% diluted concentrate will age a bit faster? Not that it really matter, I guess.. Just a bit curious considering this is the first time I've heard of MF.

1 points
 
by RuntDastardlyover 8 years agoBursting with dorky enthusiasm for mixing

I can't be entirely sure, but, I thought I heard /u/abdada say once that diluted MF flavors actually had a longer shelf-life?

2 points
 
by HashSlingingSlashurabout 8 years ago

How's the MF coffee on your coils? Can you vape this for a while without it tasting burnt or off?

1 points
 
by RuntDastardlyabout 8 years agoBursting with dorky enthusiasm for mixing

Yeah, surprisingly!

I am able to vape through 30ML (which is my threshold for any recipe) without it getting funky on me, or needing to re-wick at the very least.

1 points
 
by Kotefover 8 years ago

too bad it has creme. Im sensitive to creme. ive tried around 30 different ones with creme or cinnamon and they all taste the same to me and its dusgusting and makes me wanna gag

3 points
 
by slumberlandover 8 years ago

like... ap creams or butyric acid horseshit?

And you know, its DIY. Hell, its pixels on a screen describing it wirth words. So yeah, I'm sorry you had to read that man. I hope you feel better.

2 points
 
by robotbeatrallyover 8 years ago

That sucks man. I love both the old creams and the reformulated ones people are putting out. I love all the creams!

1 points
 
by Itiki123over 8 years ago

Vape Tricks

0 points
 
by silv3r8ackover 8 years ago

I get that they make the best coffee flavour in the land but why would you encourage supporting a company that labels 12ml as 15ml?

7 points
 
by robotbeatrallyover 8 years ago

Sometimes you have to bend over if you want the promotion to flavor town.

4 points
 
by RuntDastardlyover 8 years agoBursting with dorky enthusiasm for mixing

Well, here's the thing: I wouldn't really call what I'm doing encouraging the support of a company that engages in the odious practice of short-sheeting the buyer of product, so much as highlighting a specific caveat emptor against the personal finding that this is, indeed, the best coffee flavoring I've found so far. I made it a point to mention this problem so that people can make an informed decision as to whether or not they're comfortable with this compromise.

And, while I discovered this issue on my own while transferring my flavors into upgraded storage bottles, this practice has been well-documented on this subreddit.

Is it the best coffee flavor in the land? How the hell could I possibly know that? Is it better than the extensive list of disappointments I've tried from FW, CAP, INW, TFA, and FA? Absofrigginlutely. So, if someone comes up with a flavor that is somehow better than, or even comparable to this one, I will gladly edit this recipe in a heartbeat! Part of the reason we post recipes is the hope that the community can improve on them, right?

Which reminds me; shout-out to /u/Apexified & /u/HocusKrokus for the leads on Stixx Mixx (naturally extracted coffee flavors like MF's is), because $10 for 30ml vs $22 for 12ml sounds so much better to me, and if they turn out to be everything I hope they are, I will terminate my consumer relations with MF like a bad romance! It's not like I'm getting anything out of it.

I'm not getting a referral bonus. I'm not typing this draped in an over-sized MF tee shirt, wearing a MF snap-back, sipping from a MF water bottle. I have zero MF swag. There are no affiliate links in this post, just links to my free-ass recipe.

I'm not sponsored by MF; I'm just trying to make a coffee recipe that doesn't taste like a tire-fire sprinkled with skunk fart jimmies. ;-)

1 points
 
by silv3r8ackover 8 years ago

Don't get me wrong I'm not suggesting you are affiliated with them or anything like that. I was merely saying that we as consumers vote with our pockets and even if these products are the best you've ever used we are not really giving them any incentive to change if we just accept it for what it is. They probably know that they have a good product, and already charge a pretty price for it, and their approach to complaints is allaying the few poeple who do complain with individual compensation. 3ml in 15ml is 20% less which in mass production adds up to huge amount of cost savings. I'm suggesting a sort of a strike saying yes we like your product a lot and we are happy to pay for it if you fix your business practices and in the meanwhile go without it out of principle. Just my 2 cents.

4 points
 
by RuntDastardlyover 8 years agoBursting with dorky enthusiasm for mixing

Heh, I know, and you are right. We cool! I was maybe going overboard in stressing my lack of connection to MF, but, I'm really not a shill.

I just needed to make a coffee vape to keep my dad from smoking, and he only liked Virgin Vapor's coffee flavors (just barely!), and I knew they used MF, so, that's what I started seriously working with.

And, I am obviously my dad's daughter in that the first flavors I tried with cig-a-likes in 2013 were coffee flavors, which were great, until they weren't. And I like that coffee recipe too.

As of the last decade (or more) exposure doesn't seem to correct anyone's amoral behavior, shaming doesn't seem to correct anyone's amoral behavior, but voting with our dollar is pretty much the last line of defense we have.

People can rationalize any awful behavior with some "manifest destiny / you just don't understand / I came up from the struggle / I'm a unique snowflake" bullshit, but, where MF's employees weren't leaping from the warehouse, trying to kill themselves, I felt kind of okay shouldering the 3ML lack from my 15ML bottles.

That hit is one I, as the consumer, takes, not one that some poverty-ridden, overworked, suicidal, factory worker needs to deal with.

Like, I'll probably never buy another new Apple product, but, that's only because my standards are low AF (I don't need beefy technology), and I only need to wait until my family members are sick of their smartphones/tablets to will me their castoffs.

And, anyway, swearing off any specific technology is kind of a token gesture. Unless you're Amish, everything in your modern home is drenched in the blood of downtrodden innocents. From your custom PC to your humble toaster.

So, yeah, vote with your dollar! Stick to your principles! I hate MF, too! Don't give them one thin dime if you don't wanna'. If Stixx Mixx turns out to be the perfect fit, I'll switch in a minute! (they seem kinda' awesome, actually!)

So, yeah, cash me ousside in a month or two, because I'm about to pull the trigger on SM's whole coffee line. If anyone has any notes about them, it would really help. I have no allegiance outside of the DIY community.

2 points
 
by chewymidgetover 8 years agoProud Sidebar Reader!

Apparently, they claim to fill their bottles with 2ml extra and they only had an issue with a couple of flavors. Somehow they magically fit 17ml into a 15ml dropper bottle. Here is what one of their CS reps said a couple years ago when people were looking to fix the problem of getting shorted the advertised amount of product.

> "Hi Everybody. This is Alysia at Medicine Flower. We are looking into this situation with the mls in the 1/2 oz bottle. There is no intention to short anybody on any level. Being a manufacturer the biggest challenge is the packaging especially trying to comply internationally and different equivalencies. Again, truly my apologies for this situation. I will post the solution as soon as possible. Thank you. Happy New Year Everyone!"

Second follow up Post:

> "Hello Everybody. My apologies for not posting earlier. Actually according to our measuring system, there is over 2ml extra. There was one of the flavours mentioned as being a bit short (very little) , and we have taken measure to rectify the volume."

Additional Comment:

> "You have to remember that when a product is filled, and measured there can be a small residual on the bottle or in the reducer, so please take that in consideration.Let us know you are part of the site, and we will be happy to include some samples."

Source

What we can gather from this is the way we measure volume is wrong and they measure it right.

1 points
 
by SteveTobiasabout 8 years ago

Has anyone looked to see how much water fits into their empty bottles to shove it up their ass that they couldn't possible be putting extra into their products?

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