This is bothering me a bit and I wanted to share. My friend sent me this video and the production quality is nice, but they're giving instructions on making flavor extracts from coffee grounds. This can cause lipid pneumonia as well as other breathing problems and complications. I feel like vaping already has a bad reputation in the public eye and the last thing we need is people thinking they can make their own extracts that are safer than smoking.
I'm typically not one to jump on a soap box but this really needs attention from people who know what they're doing, i.e. you guys.
Just curious, How is this different from the DIY extraction method listed in the sidebar.
It isn't. We should probably remove that link since it's been found to really not be safe for vaping.
Where's the source for this claim though? I've only seen it discussed on this sub a few times, but I never saw anyone post any proof of this. I've read about smoking essential oils, but never anything about vaping coffee extract that's been even further diluted in vg/pg. Could it be just another scare tactic like "popcorn lung"? I'm actually interested in this since I was considering trying it out before this post came along.
I have to wonder how significantly coffee beans would add oil to an ejuice though? I'm not suggesting that oils are safe or good to inhale, but when I think of people who smoke cloves every day, or flavored hookah, it would seem to be negligible by comparison. Like, compared to hookah blends, which have honey, molasses, fruits, and even actual coffee, and all the combusted and partially combusted byproducts, I guess I'm just wondering where coffee-infused VG/PG falls on the spectrum of danger.
>This can cause lipid pneumonia as well as other breathing problems and complications.
Do you have a source for this? What's the concern? That lipids in the coffee beans are being extracted along with the flavor, or is it something else?
Yeah, the worry is that the oils from the coffee will build up in your lungs to cause a lipid pneumonia.
I've looked into it, and it seems to take a relatively large quantity of lipids to cause it. The most common sufferers of lipid pneumonia are apparently fire breathers, who are inhaling large amounts of kerosene on the regular, with occasional cases in the west Asian countries caused by large amounts of ghee making.
I think the danger of DIY coffee extracts are probably over blown. But I'm not a doctor, and YMMV.
Actually, the most common cause of lipid pneumonia is people aspirating regurgitated mineral oil, usually the elderly or children. But that's always accidental. We are discussing something people do intentionally at sometimes upwards of 30ml a day over years and years. It's just not a good idea, when commercial alternatives exist that are known to be free of lipids.
YOLO
You only lipid pneumonia once. YOLPO
Well if I'm going to get lipid pneumonia, I'm heating bacon up in PG...
Interestingly, animal fats are actually much worse than lipids derived from plant matter or mineral oil. The body reacts almost violently to the presence of animal fats in the lungs, with localized hemorrhaging and a much faster response by the alveolar macrophages when fat makes it into the alveoli. Can't find the study right now I read that discussed this, but it was surprising to the MD that published the study as well.
Edit: This almost never happens. It was a case where an individual with developmental delays (including swallowing issues) had aspirated food stolen off the plate of another resident at a care facility.
Ok, so this is one of those times when it's possible to do something, but that doesn't make it a good idea. To all those that want to know the reason this sub frowns on extractions, I answered this in some detail in another post, but basically there are commercial flavors with this profile, known to contain ONLY volatiles and a diluent. Why then would it be a good idea to make something that absolutely will contain substances that can't be controlled for? Lipids, proteins, sugars etc ARE GOING TO BE IN ANY EXTRACTION YOU DO AT HOME! People seem to have a hard time with this, but it's true. Unless of course you have a fancy lab and matching organic chemistry degree to work with. Then you could theoretically isolate only the volatiles, but it definitely wouldn't be cost effective since FLAVOR COMPANIES HAVE ALREADY DONE THIS FOR YOU.
But it's yooooooooooooours.
People who think that should be directed to /r/deeper_diy to see why it's not as easy as they think
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I got asked this before for that reason.
"Do you ever think about making something yourself instead of using what other people made for you?"
I just made a comparison to music and how I'm not building a guitar because building the tools isn't a part of my art. I don't want to sit around all day building a screw driver I'm proud of when what I'm passionate about is carpentry.
Jason Mewes's line of juice, Mewes juice has a coffee flavor that comes with a coffee bean in it. I assumed it was just a gimmick to try and hype it / justify the price.
Just throwing this out there.
Copycatting 5 pawns, lmao.