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Modest Monday - Layering Flavors
submitted over 8 years ago by VurveVurve with the Swurve

Hello all,

As promised, I'm going to keep uploading my reformatted Modest Mondays to Reddit and cataloging them in /r/ModestMonday.

This one is a little late, but I don't feel as bad this time since it's a legacy Modest Monday. So, hopefully some of you will enjoy reading this over again. Hopefully there's someone who reads it for the very first time and finds something useful.

Hopefully, I portrayed that there likely won't be any revolutionary changes to these legacy articles. Primarily me just fixing syntax and grammar, clarifying some of my initial thoughts from when I first wrote these, and formatting them in a way that makes them easier to read.


#Modest Monday - Layering Flavors (Strawberry and Cream)

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Our lesson today is going to be a little different from the last two weeks. Today, we will focus on layering flavors.

At a conceptual level, this is not that difficult of a thing and is really just about balancing your recipes. Making sure everything fits together in it's proper place and the flavors jives well with each other.

To break it down as simply as possible, there are three sections of an recipe:

The base - The primary flavor profile. They set the tone for the juice and give the other flavors something to cling on to. These flavors are experienced throughout the entire vape, but most prominent between the inhale and exhale.

The background - The flavors you may only catch a hint of, if at all, that are boosting and enhancing the other flavors. They add complexity and depth to your masterpiece. Primarily tasted on the exhale.

The accent - Your "top notes", the flavors that accent the juice and you just can't miss. They tend to be sharp, potent, and fun. These are the kind of flavors that you taste on the immediate inhale.

Now, a flavor can fall between two different aspects either based on how much or how little you use and, mostly importantly, how you use it.

In respect to how a flavor is used, this depends almost entirely on the other flavors you are using in your mix. For example, my favorite flavoring of all time – TFA Vanilla Bean Ice Cream. By itself or in a rather bland mix, the immediate dominating flavor is a very forefront buttercream flavor. However, mix a bold citrus into this same mix, and it immediately becomes the top note. Thus, pushing the rich buttercream flavor back into the recipe a bit. Add yet another strong fruit flavor, like TFA Strawberry or FW Blueberry, that assumes the place as a base flavor and it will push the TFA Vanilla Bean Ice Cream even further back into the background. Leaving just a faint hint of the buttercream and vanilla on the exhale.

In order to create great juice, you have to balance all three. Miss an aspect, and it will stick out like a sore thumb. Your e-liquid will fall flat lacking depth. On the opposite end of the spectrum, too much focus on a certain layer can leave the flavors competing and turn the rest of your e-liquid into a muddled mess.

The Recipe

I highly encourage you to make this several times in your 10ml bottles with 1-2 ingredients missing as a side by side test. Try to figure out how each flavor is contributing to the juice as a whole and how it's reacting with the other flavors:

Strawberryish & Cream|% ---|--- TFA Strawberry Ripe|5 TFA Strawberry|2 FA Fuji|.75 FA Fresh Cream|1 CAP Vanilla Custard v.1|1.5 TFA Dragonfruit|0.5

The Base - FA fresh cream, CAP Vanilla custard, and TFA strawberry ripe.

FA Fresh Cream is fairly neutral with a slight tang. Reminiscent of Creme Fraiche. Medium mouth density. No vanilla. No egg. No butter. Just a pleasant dairy to lighten up the fruits. CAP Vanilla Custard v.1 has a heavy mouth feel, strong vanilla, heavy butter, medium egg. Strawberry ripe. Light and airy. A whisp of strawberry flavor. This flavor easily falls between background and base. We'll talk about that more in a second.

Background - TFA strawberry ripe and TFA Dragonfruit

Even though strawberry ripe provides a good base to go along with the creams, it's barely noticeable. However, it will be doing a ton of work with TFA strawberry. It's boosting those back end notes you want. Adding complexity and sweetening with EM. TFA dragonfruit is doing the exact same thing. It's pushing the strawberry flavor forward. Accenting the sweetness and adding complexity to the overall flavor profile, though you can hardly taste it, especially after a 3 day steep, but if you leave it out, it will be obvious what it's doing to the juice.

Accent - FA Fuji and TFA Strawberry

The fun flavors! These are the two flavors you will immediately be hit with on the inhale. Fuji is very forward. It adds a nice freshness to the juice. It can also make for a very nice background flavor of you use it below 0.25% and just want to impart a nice dry crispness to the strawberry. I really can't ever see Fuji being a base flavor though. It's just not in its profile. TFA strawberry will be the forward strawberry flavor we want. It's jammy and juicy. It could be a base, but using it in combination with TFA strawberry ripe and TFA dragonfruit pushes it too far forward to occupy that role. Take those two flavors out and then it will be a base. FA Fuji will then be the lead accent. You won't really have strawberry and cream anymore, and your juice will lack complexity, but I insist you try it. This will show you how all the flavors are interacting.

Conclusion

Overall, this is a very simplified way of looking at things. There is a lot more that could be said about how flavors are layered and how they interact. If you want to truly learn how a recipe gets fitted together, please take the advice to mix up this recipe, or any recipe, leaving out vital ingredients to see how all the flavors fall together without the other ingredients.

Credit goes out to /u/matthewkocanda for the inspiration on this juice.

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by ID10-Tover 8 years ago

The way you break down these concepts is excellent for new mixers, thank you. People have questions and it's so much easier and faster to link them to your answers than to fumble around trying to put them into my own words.

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by Wayne0over 8 years agoDiketones, Schmiketones

Like fuck. A MM post on a Sunday. Now I have nothing great to look forward to, to kick off next week. Boo and hiss.

The style, the thought process explained, just fantastic stuff man.

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by Vurveover 8 years agoVurve with the Swurve

Don't worry, there's more on their way all weekend. I have 5 days off in a row and I'm typing like a madman over here.

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by PerennialPhilosopherover 8 years ago

Nicely done! This was very helpful to me when I was brand new. It's a perfect simple way to break down recipe construction

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by Logan115over 8 years ago

I've never really been a huge strawberry lover, but it seems there are so many strawberry recipes and so much love for them that I'm gonna have to pick up some strawberry, along with some cactus, and VBIC very soon.

It's really weird how differently our likes and dislikes can be between vaping and non-vaping. When I smoked I dreaded having to bum one of my wife's menthol ciggies, yet I really tend to gravitate to menthol or minty type ejuice. Also don't really care for real blueberries but had a 2-3 month stretch where I almost exclusively vaped a blueberry juice from my local b&m shop.

Weird right ?

I'm a total mixing hack and for the most part stick with a very basic 3 ingredient mix of tobacco, lemon Sicily, and cold pressed lime that I eyeball and have yet to screw it up so much that I won't vape it, but I think you guys have worn me down and convinced me to break down and buy a scale to up my game and branch out a bit.

Thanks for this and to all the others that provide such great info for us hacks lurking in the background.

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by Vurveover 8 years agoVurve with the Swurve

If you really like that citrus tobacco style of flavor, you might want to try FA Desert Ship.

It's a cigarette style tobacco with hints of all sorts of different citrus; grapefruit, lemon, orange.

Also, truly glad to help! Comments like yours make me happy to continue doing this.

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by Logan115over 8 years ago

Thanks for the recommendation I'll add that to the list !!

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by Logan115over 8 years ago

One more question on the Desert Ship. Is there something else you would recommend adding to compliment this or just use this as a single flavor recipe ?

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by Vurveover 8 years agoVurve with the Swurve

I have a hard time answering this, because I despised the flavor. I think the combination of citrus and tobacco is appalling.

However, this is a very beloved flavor among the DIY community. Personally, I would bolster the tobacco flavor with a strong tobacco as it's rather light.

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by redhotmonkeyluvover 8 years ago

I'm puzzled by your description of FA's Desert Ship. To me it tastes like a dark, spiced, dessert tobacco with hints of chocolate/cocoa in the 1.5 - 2% range. No citrus notes detected.

Another great MM, BTW. Please keep them coming.

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by Vurveover 8 years agoVurve with the Swurve

Very interesting. I pulled up a few different reviews on this flavor, and everybody has something a little different to say on it. Some taste grape and cherry, others taste chocolate and spice. I taste citrus.

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by geb999over 8 years ago

I know what you mean. I smoked menthols for years. when I started vaping 18 months ago I tried a menthol vape and almost gagged it seemed so strong. Still, like you, I'm going to brand out and try koolada. if that works out I may take a second look at menthol.

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by rklimek76over 8 years agoProud Sidebar Reader!

Thanks for doing these every week man, I really appreciate you putting it in text format for all of the people who don't listen to the podcasts and stuff.

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by Vurveover 8 years agoVurve with the Swurve

Always glad to be of help!

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by Hickerytickover 8 years ago

Will read in a second but thanks for carrying on with these, the unofficial DIY bible!

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by kindgroundover 8 years ago

Excellent! I definitely walked away a lot smarter from reading this. Great job!

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by Dalphoover 8 years ago

Vurve you're the man, thanks for this. Always appreciated.

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by Chrisdvr1over 8 years agoProud Sidebar Reader!

Wyf its not monday ;p

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by Vurveover 8 years agoVurve with the Swurve

This is last Monday's.

Also, because I can 😊

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by Chrisdvr1over 8 years agoProud Sidebar Reader!

Bhahah

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by TadnJessover 8 years ago

Awesome article! Thank you for bringing back Modest Monday to reddit.

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by Kraftykiwiover 8 years agoProud Sidebar Reader!

Got very excited when I realised I had all the flavours...Then realised it was FTA Dragonfruit not CAP. Can I sub? For the purposes of this exercise, unless it does something weird, that the final flavour was not exactly as presented should not be important I would guess. If I can use it the inevitable question is at what %?

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by OG_Cottonover 8 years ago

Could I pm you about a mix I'm working on it's related to this. If this doesn't help

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