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FA Black Fire
submitted over 8 years ago by ConcreteRiver

Setup: Recoil w/ flavor barrel, Dual 15 wrap 26g 3mm Nifethal 70 coils @.17 ohms. 60w power, 450F temp limit. Full Cotton Wicks.

Testing: FA Black Fire @ .5%, 60/40 VG/PG, Steeped 10 days.

Flavor Description: Actual wood charcoal aroma, and some random white sugar. Just as odd as it sounds. The "fire" part of this tastes exactly like a bag of natural hardwood charcoal smells. Some pretty spot on refined sugar underneath all that.

Inhale is mostly a light sweetness. Moderately dense, sort of non-descript liquid smoke kind of tang. Exhale has all the "fire". Does a good job of smelling like a dead campfire. I wish I could go all rainman and say that it's "X kind of wood smoke," but what I can say is that tastes pretty middle of the road with no chemical off-flavors or strange spicy notes. Not as warm and vibrant as actual wood smoke, but nothing super objectionable and not ashy. Moderately dense mouthfeel overall. That raw sugar note is underneath the fire and becomes more noticeable as the exhale finishes up, lingering just a bit on the tongue while the fire part of this lives in your sinuses.

Off-flavors: Well, you're in it for the charcoal notes, but that sugar thing is a bit weird.

Throat Hit: Light, pretty mellow considering the subject matter.

Uses & Pairings: This is exclusively for blending, and it works well to add an actual touch of smoke or char.

It's a good tobacco additive, adding some heft and realism without going sour or ashy. Lots of talk about using this at a low percentage to emulate an actual cigarette or cigar.

You ever use a fancyish smoker to bake something? This concentrate does a good job adding that weird but interesting note to deserts. If you have any kind of plans to do a s'more, i'd call this damn near essential. The sweet note will blend right in with just anything you throw at it.

This will be tricky to use with fruits. The smoke note is all wood smoke and so it doesn't do a great job of actually tasting like a smoky fruit, instead just tasting like some smoke, then a fruit.

Notes: In terms of usage, start low and work up. Like .05% or a couple drops per 10ml will work to add that smoky edge to pastries and deserts. That can be brought up a bit, depending on how aggressive you want the smoke but it starts to get a bit distracting and doesn't layer well after .25%. As a tobacco additive, my go to is usually .5% but it does tend to sweeten a mix pretty quickly. Maybe keep it limited to your sweeter blends.

A super interesting flavor, with some really specific applications. I'm a fan of this stuff, but it may be a bit polarizing.

Second Opinions:

I've been saying obligatory, but Head In Clouds did something commendable making his Flavour Art Notes available for the community. Here's the note on Black Fire:

"This is smoke flavor without tobacco notes. If you want to mimic the effect of actually smoking, you probably need this flavoring. Black Fire is most often used with tobaccos to add an authentic smokiness to the exhale. Get your tobacco recipe to your liking, then add Black Fire in small steps, just 0.25% or 0.5% at a time, for the realistic effect of real smoke on the exhale. It does not alter the tobacco flavors - just adds smokiness.If you use too much, you'll taste hickory flavor."

/u/T_Mace calls it campfire smoke a couple times in the comments on this post.

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by Chrisdvr1over 8 years agoProud Sidebar Reader!

Great write-up... just pop it in here to congratulate you on being nominated. I expect with all these flavor reviews you're going to be one of the frontrunners. Time for all that work paid off

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by ConcreteRiverover 8 years ago

Thank you. I think having to think about single concentrates so much is going to be a help with the shorter round format, but that competition, yourself included, is absolutely no joke. It's going to be fun!

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by Chrisdvr1over 8 years agoProud Sidebar Reader!

I honestly hope you kick everybody's ass.

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by ConcreteRiverover 8 years ago

I'll give it a shot, man. Thanks.

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by xsirxxover 8 years ago

Its late in the evening... that said :), I wanted to say thanks as well. Alot of us have tried these flavors and tried to incorporate them into our recipes, but its another step to take that much time and write these things up. They are also quite on point :).

I have tried this one a few times and for me, it seems a bit powerful. I have tried it with pairings to stand up to my whiskeys that I like on my movie nights... I like scotch also quite a bit so I have tried to use it to balance out when I have run out of scotch and I want something else. But the last thing I have thought about is to use it as a daily vape :).

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by Azrai19over 8 years ago

Think it could be used for a grilled pineapple flavor?

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by xsirxxover 8 years ago

I have tried it and I gave up after only a few times :(. I think it could help if you use something a little more savory to supplement... This is one of the things I want to go back to badly!!!

http://recipeforfitness.com/recipes/desserts/grilled_pineapple_cheesecake_cream.html

So I bought a few more pineapples :).

EDIT: To say I gave up is prolly a wrong choice of words... I just moved on to others... but I will revisit :)

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by ConcreteRiverover 8 years ago

I haven't ever got it to blend down into the actual fruit. It just kind of sits on top of a fruit. With that said, it might be worth trying to figure out. It's the closest to a neutral smoked / grilled flavor I've found.

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by Trevorxgageover 8 years agoProud Sidebar Reader!

I've been toying with getting both this flavor as well as TFA hickory smoke just to try and make a grilled fruit recipe.

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by JarlFirestarter0over 8 years ago

Holy shit I need to make a barbecue sauce flavour.

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by umbra4235over 8 years ago

This is amazing, very detailed! More FA tobacco reviews!

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by pijanimikulaover 8 years ago

This flavor was such a disappointment for me. It's nowhere near the cigarette smoke. Under 0.3% it tastes like charcoal notes in Red Label whiskey. From there it gets worse. It becomes sickening "smoked" flavor used in snacks, and finally arrives at the flavor of a dry hit. I have managed to use it with fa cherry and black cherry, to get the dried and smoked effect.
For ashy cigarette effect try a couple of drops of IW DNB and/or Smoke&Prunes. Not perfect but more on point.

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by SolanaceaeEnthusiastover 8 years agoresident tobacco specialist

Agreed. I want campfire smoky not barbecue , I have very little love for this stuff

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by Muck777over 8 years ago

It's one of those ones that I'd put on the list, but your description of wood charcoal aroma and some random white sugar makes it sound like a one shot to me.

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by ConcreteRiverover 8 years ago

It definitely makes a bit harder to mix. Fairly limited to those sweeter profiles. I think the raw sugar might be flavourart's attempt at a caramel or something but it's a bit odd.

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by Muck777over 8 years ago

Ok, throw in some V1 custard and I'd be happy.

Then again, I vape rabbit droppings, and I'm happy.

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