Thank you to everyone who participated in last week's Flavor of The Week, Guava.
As always, the purpose of this thread is to gather the community to explore a flavor and its many uses. And it's also to have FUN!
Post recipes containing this week's Flavor of the Week, as the star or in a supporting role, with or without development notes. Talk about other people's recipes that use it. Compare and contrast different manufacturers' versions of the FOTW. Ask for help using that flavor in general or to achieve something specific, offer advice, brainstorm ideas, consider substitutions, suggest pairings... really anything at all as long as it's on topic.
This week's flavor is: Chocolate
Past FOTW posts can be found here
Prepare yourselves, next week's FOTW will be: Butterscotch
The week after next will be: ???? You tell me. Take this opportunity to suggest one that interests you (or send me a PM to do that). Otherwise I'm going to pick something like pomegranate, passionfruit, papaya, or pecan, just because I'm in a P mood.
I dont have a lot of experience with chocolates, but through the years have gathered that AP(Acetyl Pyrazine) used in very small amounts(.15-.25) can significantly benefit chocolate flavors, and I think it's accurate for the most part based on the number of people to say it.
I haven't played with chocolates since my failures with FA Cocoa & Chocolate, but wanted to toss this out there.
I started planning a pecan & praline custard...so I vote for either of those.
FLV Chocolate Deutsch is a terrific flavor. u/cheebasteeba 's review is very accurate. Very moist German Chocolate cake with silky smooth chocolate.
I've also used it at low % to boost other chocolates. Here's an example.
I've mixed a very similar recipe, except for the FA Cookie :) I don't think 0.8 is low % for that concentrate though because it's crazy strong. It's already very present at 1 drop per 10 mL, which I sometimes add to tobaccos.
Yay, finally a FOTW I can participate in! (jk /u/ID10-T, you're doing an amazing job at bringing this back and I'm just a picky lil' bitch). Unfortunately I have only tested and used TFA Double Chocolate (clear), but I do have INW Milk Chocolate on the wait list for testing.
TFA Double Chocolate (clear) Flavor Review
Setup: Velocity mini clone; dual Clapton (26/36) coils; .3 ohms @ 65W.
Testing: TFA Double Chocolate (clear) @ 9.4%; Aged: No steep - 2 weeks.
Flavor Descriptions: Let me start off by saying this is NOT the milk chocolate flavor you are looking for. A much better comparison of this flavor would be to Hershey's Chocolate Syrup except it is more bitter/dark and lacks some of the sweet notes. If you have not had Hershey's Chocolate Syrup, correct that fucking mistake and try that shit now - but until then, I can relate it to you as a semisweet, with an emphasis on the 'semi', chocolate cocoa powder (including that weird powder/chalk taste!). Speaking of that, the chalky note is most noticeable without a steep and at the start of the vape, and while it faded for the most part there was still a slight presence of it after two weeks.
Off-flavors: As just noted, there is a 'chalky' taste that fades but still sticks around.
Throathit: My notes say that it was smooth but slightly dry (from the chalkiness), so i'll give it a 4/10.
Uses: I do not think that this flavor would be okay on its own, but maybe with the addition of some creams and sweetener it would be an okay simple mix. As far as recipe's go, I absolutely love the use of it in /u/Enyawreklaw 's Golden Ticket Remix . I know Wayne has since revised his choice of chocolate for this recipe, but I still feel TFA Double Chocolate (clear) works in a pinch.
Pairings: Creams, bakeries, and while not my thing I think it could work in tobaccos.
Closing Thoughts: An ok semisweet chocolate flavor, but it lacks the sweetness and warm, all encompassing, almost buttery feel chocolate has (yeah I know its from the fat in it). It has its uses, but many mixers have recently been toting INW Milk Chocolate as better for many situations. Overall, I would give it 5/10.
Hope others can speak more on INW Milk Chocolate and more, maybe hook us up with a recipe, but I now feel better for contributing lol.
This is an excellent review. I must say your reference to it not being a warm chocolate rings true. I've been searching for a warm chocolate, the closest I can describe it as the chocolate in chocolate glazed doughnuts. I've been searching for ages for a warm chocolate flavour. I've only ever tasted it in juice that I've bought. Thank you for this review!
That search for a warm chocolate is one many of us are on, and just like you said it seems to really only be present in manufactured eliquid. Whatever secret they are using is something we don't seem to have caught on to yet, but maybe it is hiding in plain sight like INW Milk Chocolate was for so long.
That being said, if you ever figure it out hook a brotha' up and post that shit - you would be considered a hero far and wide in the DIY community.
Thanks for the notes, Waffle! I usually try to contribute as much as I can to FOTWs in addition to "hosting" them, but I'm pretty useless on this one. I've been scarred by early experiences with chocolate and just haven't been able to bring myself to try them again yet, with the exception of Bronuts and Bronuts variations.
> Prepare yourselves, next week's FOTW will be: Butterscotch
> The week after next will be: ???? You tell me. Take this opportunity to suggest one that interests you (or send me a PM to do that). Otherwise I'm going to pick something like pomegranate, passionfruit, papaya, or pecan...
Oh, shoot. I knew I forgot to put something. I am going to start working on a fudge-y pecan pie soon, so my vote for the week after next is Pecan!
And I can't blame you for being put off by chocolates, especially since so many of the options are latex-chalk poo poo instead of chocolate.
Whatever you do, don't pick up Inawera Chocolate Mint. Shit tastes like straight up latex. I had to dump 30ml down the sink.
Ugh. I hate everything about tasting latex. Thanks for the warning.
I'd like to throw in my spumoni recipe here. It makes use of the glorious INW milk chocolate at 2.5%
FA Cherry at 2%
TFA pistachio at 6%
After a two week steep this is a perfect spumoni flavor. The ratios of chocolate, cherry and pistachio are perfectly balanced imo. This is actually my first original recipe and I still enjoy vaping it all day!
[Brad The Vapist's Buckeye (Test)]
Ingredient|% :---|---: Cocoa (Jungle)|0.25 Milk Chocolate (INAWERA)|1.5 Peanut Butter (CAP)|3 Vanilla Bean Ice Cream (TPA)|3.5 Vanillin|1
Flavor total: 9.25%
Ill throw one out I have been working on and testing for quite awhile. If no one knows what a Buckeye treat is, it is a ball of powdered sugar and peanut butter with vanilla dipped in chocolate that hardens around it to look like a buckeye nut. This is generally known by everyone in Ohio but maybe not so much outside of the state. These are extremely delicious and helps explain why it has taken me so long to make this, not to mention how crap chocolates are.
Nice! I love buckeyes but don't love vaping chocolate. I'm currently working on a "Peanut Butter Snowball," which is just a buckeye using white instead of milk or dark chocolate.
Ahh I have been working on a white chocolate blueberry truffle. I am having a hard time balancing White Chocolate TPA. It seems easily overpowered by just about anything :(. Do you recommend another white chocolate?
Not a super accurate chocolate per se, but INW Mocco (aka Mocca) is wonderful. It tastes like the chocolate aspect of TE Captain, but without the tobacco taste.
It doesn't really have a coffee flavor to it at all though, more of a smooth chocolatey spice.
It will be excellent to mix with tobaccos, although I haven't gotten around to it yet.
Mixed @ 4%
Just made an experimental milkshake recipe with this flavor. And I have FW Capsicum, which might edge into Mexican Hot Chocolate territory. But, in the meantime, this is still the best baseline hot chocolate recipe I've ever tried: /u/ThirdWorldOrder's Fireside Cocoa: http://e-liquid-recipes.com/recipe/325337/Fireside%20Cocoa
Thanks for the link, I just ordered Hot Cocoa because I couldn't find too much feedback and was intrigued... This looks like a good place to start when it arrives.
Do you think that INW Mocco could be used to create a 'mexican hot chocolate' or spiced hot chocolate vape?
Woohoo!
Finally one I can add a little input to. TFA Double Chocolate clear tastes like a tootsie roll. TFA Dulche De Leche tastes about the same, but creamier. Hope this helps someone.
I recently received INW Milk Chocolate and TFA Bittersweet Chocolate Extra. Any pointers are appreciated, and I'll probably sample them at 2-4% unless I hear otherwise.
I'm actually looking forward to creating a Twin Bing candy bar type of recipe using my new chocolates, FA or INW Marzipan and some sort of chocolate, and an accent of nut. No pun intended.
Chocolate Cream by Inawera
Tested at 3%
Coffee. This is a coffee flavoring, not a chocolate IMO. It's a caramel like, sweet, coffee flavoring with hints of chocolate around it. But overall I would say the caramel is secondary to the coffee here, and the chocolate is tertiary. It's a bit like a dessert syrup (syrup not cream- language is important and I don't pick up on any cream here although the caramel does give it some body) and would pair well in applications where a syrup is needed. The coffee here is a bit one dimensional though.
Thoughts
I enjoyed this and it was a good flavoring despite a misnomer of a name. I see myself using it in desserts or paired with a cream (a cream such as whipped cream, dairy, or fresh cream), or any application where you'd use a dark dessert syrup.
Note: I'm going to run through my flavors over the course of the day and make an overall comparison at the end! These are my opinions and, you might've heard, taste is subjective. These are my blooper notes- short and sweet.
Edit: desert, desert, desseeerrrrt
Thanks for the notes!
:) helps me test things still in the queue and revisit flavors I haven't seen in a while. This was kind of a weird one to start but anything with "chocolate" in the name is fair game. I have so many chocolate flavors but still haven't tried inawera milk chocolate. Got any favorites?
No. I'm basically sitting this one out. The only chocolate flavor I have is CAP Chocolate Glazed Donut. My short time vaping commercial juice before switching to DIY was long enough to leave me feeling yucky about the idea of vaping chocolate. For every positive review of a chocolate flavor, there's at least one naysayer, and I keep thinking, "That would be me." Maybe this FOTW will change my mind and I'll start playing with chocolates in January after my spending freeze ends.
Looking forward to this one!
I don't really have formal notes written, but I'm pretty sure someone did some in the past, but check out HS Australian chocolate! It's a drier, dark chocolate and it's amazing!
Fantastic accent to sweeter, creamier chocolates as well as for tobacco's.
Strawberry Milk Chocolate by Inawera Tested at 2%
The strawberry is a light background note that has a toffee flavor to it. This flavoring reminds me of those chocolate covered fruit filled toffee candies. The chocolate isn't much different from their regular Milk Chocolate. It wouldn't surprise me if they used it for the chocolate base. Because of the extra flavors along with the chocolate you don't get much of that chalky note as some other chocolates provide.
2% seems to be a good starting percentage for a top note in a mix. It's not super strong or super light at this percentage but would allow some other flavors to round out the whole profile. As with most chocolates you need other flavors to back this one up. I think this flavor would be a great starting point for a strawberry chocolate flavored milkshake. I'm not a huge fan of chocolates personally but gremlin has this flavor for 50% off so I figured what the hell, I'll get some.
It's worth noting that this stuff is black. Could potentially be a coil gunking flavor. I didn't vape it for too long to find out.
I've tried so many times to do something with CAP Chocolate Fudge Brownie V2, at a whole slew of percentages. It tastes amazing at day 2-4, then it just tastes like burnt ass.
I'm hoping some day I can have it work right......
Recently picked up FA Chocolate & INW Milk Chocolate, hopefully I can use those together to do something interesting.
Really thinking I might have to get some FA Cream Fresh as a note for them though. Maybe....
Milk Chocolate
- FA Chocolate 1%
- INW Milk Chocolate 1.5%
- FA Cream Fresh 0.75%
- FA Yogurt 2.5%
FA Chocolate for wet chocolate, INW Milk Chocolate for chaukiness. Cream fresh for straight cream (I actually don't have this flavor and I have no real experience with it, total guess on how it works and percentage) Yogurt for dairy
I wonder how far off I am....
Did you mean 0.75% for the Cream Fresh?
Do you have the old FA Yogurt or the newer diacetyl-free version?
0.75% yes, thanks!
I actually don't know......I would assume a company would just release a new DX version or something..... I haven't tested it extensively and with my current sick and throat issues I can't vape at all for a bit to do any further testing. It didn't taste very butyric-y.
It was a very sour whole-milk dairy taste to it. That was 4% 3hour steep.
I just purchased the FA Yogurt through BCV a week ago or so.
Is CAP Fudge Brownie V2 the only version they still sell? I held out on my last BCF order because all they had was V2, but if I'm stuck with it I guess I'm stuck with it lol.
I got V1 from Nicotine River.
I just checked, and they do still have it! Thank you so very much. Here is the link in case anyone else is interested.
I swear to god if it gets sold out before I can order it because I posted that link I am going to cry myself to sleep at night for weeks...
You on your period ;).. All jokes aside this is the push I needed to test MF white chocolate and FW White chocolate, side by side. Will update in a few days. From research I hear MF flavors need a pretty long steep, so hopefully it'll be g2g after 2/3 days
MF takes up to a month. The white chocolate is amazing but if you don't wait a few weeks it will taste off.
FW is ok imo but seems to fade after a few weeks for me.
TFS is the same as their vbic. Straight pepper for me.
Hot Chocolate by Capella
Tested at 5%
This is a little weak at 5% IMO. You know those hot chocolate machines at gas stations? Where you press the square button and then you get a cup full of watery hot chocolate? This is it, spot on. It's not a natural or real chocolate, it's an artificial one that's slightly watery, but it honors its name sake. It registers as an actual hot chocolate- just not the rich kind you might like. Definite potential if you can manage to thicken it out (cream, custard, whipped cream, get creative) and add a bit of complexity to an otherwise one dimensional artificial chocolate flavoring.
Thoughts
Potential here- most of the chocolates I've tried don't even register as an actual chocolate, whereas this does. If you can deepen it and round it out in an interesting way I think you could have a winner on your hands.
Have you tried CAP Chocolate Fudge Brownie? That is bar far the deepest most forward chocolate I've tried to date. Concentrate is jet black though which worries me some.
I haven't, if you recommend it I'll put it on my next sale queue though. I've been trying lots of not so spoken about chocolate flavorings in the hunt for the perfect one. Does it taste like just a regular chocolate, or that specific fudgey kind of chocolate?
I'm trying to run through my different chocolates as quickly as I can but some of them are so hard to write about. RF's Chocolate is just... I don't even know. It gives the slight impression of a greasy, powdery cocoa and that's it. A lot of it is very subtle, at least this one reflects its name.
I don't know if I would go as far as to recommend it, but, it's definitely a heavy, dark, fudgy chocolate; kind of a niche flavoring but if you're looking for like an ooey-gooey heavy dessert chocolate I would say it's a great pick. It is a very dominant flavor though, even at 0.75% in an attempt at a reese puff (from a long time ago) all I was getting was heavy gooey dark chocolate. IIRC there was a slight play-dough aspect as you get from some of the CAP Bakeries but it played kind of nicely in the profile. That CAP Hot Chocolate sounds really good BTW.
Edit: I bet it would work real nice in like a molten chocolate cake or whatever they're called
This is my first time giving input into anything. I treasure the opportunity.
I have just coppied my notes on this as is due to time contraints. Ill do a proper format on the next occasion.
FW Milk Chocolate @4-8%
Shake and vape This is an earty milk chocolate with a very powdery cocoa profile. The flavor carries throught the vape (inhale, pause and exhale). the milk chocolate flavor can only e tasted as an undertone to to the cocoa powderiness that consumes the overall profile. It is bitter but not in a pleasant dark chocolate kind of way, more in a eating a spoon full of cacoa kind of way. It has a hint of sweetness.
At 10% the choc flavor becomes more prominent but the powedery taste becomes overpowering. The bitter taste is suprisingly subdeued.
One week steep The choc settles and the powerdiness disappates somehwat but still prominent. I can taste more milk choc but it is an artificial cheap choc milk nesquick kind of taste.
I would typically try harder to get better notes but apart from raping my coils, I really did not enjoy this flavor and I just dumped the rest of the juice without bothering to write up comprehensive notes.
I too have been scared off from choc after tasting this one, it it just a bad flavor. I was really disappointed... did manage to get a vapable recipe using it. chocolate milk using 4% TFA diary, 4% condensed milk and 3% FW milk choc. The condensed milk was one of the only ways I could tame the choc and powder and make it remotely vapable. I can say that I wont recommend it, I am just not using choc so I really have no way of contributing how this can be used in your recipes.
I got a 5ml sample from gremlindiy during the halloween sale for an extremely low price. My expectations were low, but I haven't been overly impressed by chocolate offerings from the other manufacturers. I was pleasantly surprised with how it held up at low percentages.
More than 6 months and 2 dozen versions in the making, the chocolate in my interpretation of Bowden's Mate was a problem until I discovered INW Milk Chocolate. Then only the percentage to use had to be established. The Mint/Menthol percentages below are the closest to the real thing imo, but can be adjusted for personal tastes. A mate (e.g.) uses 1 % each of FA Peppermint, TPA Menthol and TPA Koolada.
Matthee's Mate
INW Milk Chocolate 2.5%
TPA French Vanilla Creme 1.5%
CAP Vanilla Custard V1 1%
FA Peppermint 1.75%
TPA Menthol 0.5%
I have been starting in a different direction for chocolate mixes. I start with a milkshake base:
- 2.5% TFA Cheesecake (Graham Crust)
- 3.5% TFA VBIC
- 2.0% FW Vanilla Cup Cake
- 4.0% TFA Vanilla Swirl
- 1.0% CAP French Vanilla
- 1.0% TFA Vanillin 10%
Which is tasty by itself, too. I make a large batch, then use it to make 10ml testers. I add a few drops of different chocolates to each. It is surprising how little chocolate concentrate is needed to make the base taste chocolatey.
I'm aiming for a light chocolate shake. A Wendy's Frosty clone would be nice, but any good shake is a win. I'm not there yet, but I feel that this is totally possible.
I have vaped a bottle of Hot Chocolate by the Chocolatier. This proved to me that a very good chocolate mix is possible.
I've tried the cocoa and chocolate mixes with and without AP. In my experience, the AP doesn't really help.