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So, I had a Liquid Amber catastrophe today. I opened up my FA/FW/INW container and noticed there was like a half inch of liquid in the bottom. After taking everything out, I was able to kind of piece together what happened. My bottle of Liquid Amber is melted from the cap to the middle of the bottle. The escaped LA then apparently melted the bottoms of 17 more bottles that then completely drained. It resulted in an almost 20 flavor soup that then soaked, stained, and ate at the labels of all 40 other bottles in the container. My flavors sit under a desk in my basement (45-55 degrees F) all the time. That's where I mix, keep my stuff, vape, everything. My vape cave. Well, my nerd cave. I just got this LA from Gremlin last month. Never used it before and didn't realize it needed to be in glass or at least sturdier plastic. Sucks because I lost almost 20 flavors and all the rest have damaged and semi/unreadable labels. Gonna end up spending my Christmas vape budget on a bunch of flavors I already had. :/ Although, this is what I get for straying from BCV again. Last time I strayed I went to ECX and wound up with a shitload of dropper tips that pop off every time I open the bottle. This time: super thin and cheap bottles that melt away. Now I know: stick to BCV. Anyone else ever had this happen?
That sucks :( I've had plastic crack, never melt, but I've heard it can happen. Drop them a message, perhaps they'll compensate you somehow, or at least be able to correct the problem. Paging /u/gremlinjuice
It's unlikely. I immediately went ahead and cleaned it all up. Just took it as a loss, you know? For the most part all that's left is a bunch of messed up labels and empty space in my box. Lol 😊 Next time I'll put LA in a glass bottle just in case. I've never had something like this happen before. Heard citrus could eat up plastic tanks, but didn't think about any flavorings eating their bottles. It can't be a common thing, or they wouldn't sell it in plastic. Who knows, maybe it was a bad batch or something. No batch number on the bottle though! 👎👎
Yea I could see that happening with lemon, lime or cinnamon, I wouldn't expect it from LA. I'd still drop Gremlin a note, allow them to learn from it too, perhaps save someone else this mess. I just got the Ijoy RDTA box and loving the hell out of it, but the plastic tank is terrifying, I don't dare to put anything with citrus in it =)
my replacement bottle of liquid amber arrived with a few mysterious drops of liquid in the baggie. don't know if that's relevant but i just dug it out and looked at it (looks ok) and put it in a baggie to buffer it from my other concentrates. i have had koolada eat through a bottle nozzle before. i went to open it to use it and the dropper twisted off with the cap. i looked at it funny then put it in a eye dropper bottle and that's when i noticed what looked like... flecks of something swimming around in the liquid. threw everything away at that point and just recently got around to ordering more. then time i straight away put it in a glass bottle.
Like to ask if all the people who do diy are using an android application to make juices since sometimes elr is down its a bit troublesome to follow it
And since if we use weighing machine to weigh the flavorings is all the weight of flavorings the same ?
Most mixers use the 1:1 method for weight of flavors. So 1mL = 1 gram.
In actuality, each flavor has a specific gravity which will not be 1:1.You can look up specific gravity of any flavor by looking up the msds sheet. Or you can carefully measure 1mL of any flavor using a syringe and then weigh it. Might want to measure and weigh 5mL and then divide by 5 because some Scales have trouble accurately measuring just 1mL. You can also select 'use specific gravity' in your profile settings on ELR.
However, I recommend you use the 1:1 method because if someone else mixes your recipe, they will most likely be using 1:1 method too. Also, when mixing by weight, what's important is to be able to reproduce your results, so it doesn't matter if flavors are not exactly 1:1,what matters is you weigh them the same every time so you have a baseline when adjusting percentages.
Also, don't forget, pg and VG are not 1:1 but ELR does the math for you. VG is 1.2g per 1mL iirc and I don't remember what PG is.
i know all the flavors has an android app that links to the site. i haven't really used it so i'm not sure if theres a local db stored on your phone.
very few people take the time to find the specific gravity of each component. this is why listing a recipe by percentage is the preferred method.
It does store your data offline in the current android version.
For your first question, I use All the Flavors, which has an android app I use while actually mixing all my eliquid. It does require a subscription if you want to save more than two recipes to your account, but the subscription is well worth it IMO to get access to the higher quality recipes - plus /u/queuetue is constantly adding new features and improving the site. Other apps exist but ATF is all I have ever and will ever use.
As to your second question, /u/T_Mace covered it pretty well. Yes the flavors have unique, or at least varying, weights - but many people mix them as if all weights are equal. It just makes it easier in the end, and the small difference in the end result isn't worth the extra effort for me.
For Android I use E-Juice Lab, it lets you organize your flavorings, your recipes, import/export them.
I love it and I would wholeheartedly recommend it to anyone!
I've tried the All the flavors app a bit, but the website's features seem so heavily guarded behind the paywall that I gave up on giving it a shot. The app itself seeeeeems nice enough, but theres a lot of times it relies on the main website, and being that I couldn't get anywhere on the website without giving them money, again, eh.
I believe E-Juice Lab costs like 2 bucks, but you get to make like 10 recipes or so before it forces you to pay for it. And no features are restricted before paying. So you get a good feel for everything and feel comfortable before deciding if it's worth the purchase.
i have a 30ml bottle of mr.salt-e 45mg juice. I just bought some nude nicotine salt base. I use the Mr. salt-E juice in my juul but its not as strong as i would like it to be. The question is how much nicotine should i add to the 30ml bottle to make it as strong as juul. The problem i'm having is that i'm not sure how strong juul is. i've read that juul is around 50mg of nic. Can someone help me out? thank you.
All my reading and searching shows that the Juul actually is 50mg/ml nicotine. That said, I've never used one, and that 45mg/ml base you have is strong enough to be dangerous if improperly handled, so I'm going to avoid speculating on what you should do.
Doesnt seem like there's much room to add much if you're trying to be close to a 1:1.
Juul is actually 59mg/ml, I mix my own at 55mg/ml and that seems almost perfect.
I'm assuming you're using a nicotine salt base instead of a free base nicotine? Correct?
New vaper here
I just recently started to vape but as a student im having a hard time to afford premium juices. Therefore i want to get in to diying so i can afford my new found hobby
So i'm basically in need of all the advice you can offer. Primarily i'm looking for simple recipes to start off with (2-3 flavor extracts). As i'm quite new if open for all flavor combos except tobaco flavors as i'm not a smoker.
Then i just have some questions what tools to order to start out with. For example what kind of bottle size i should start with. Also how much pre-mixed base liquid (70/40) I should start out with? 100ml, 250ml or 500ml(0nic as im a non smoker that vapes as a hobby)?
Also do you guys have any other tips or information i should know before getting into diy?
Well, you're in luck. The site has a pretty exhaustive sidebar and a couple good guides to getting started.
I'd start here: https://www.reddit.com/r/DIY_eJuice/wiki/diy_beginners_guide and watch this: New Amsterdam's Beginner Guide on Youtube.
Yeah man just follow the guide's advice. I'd say start by buying some 1-flavor extracts in which all you have to do it put in the reccomended percentage of it and no other extracts. Very easy and hard to mess up and allows you to make great juice cheap.
Once you've got it down, you can get into buying "raw ingredient" extracts for experimenting with your own recipes.
Oh and do yourself a huge favor, go on ebay and buy 100 disposable pipettes for about $2-6 and buy two squeeze bottles. Use the squeeze bottles for the pg and vg and the pipettes for the extracts, throw them out after each use. This saves SO much time.
I have a recipe for a 10ml bottle, how do i scale it up to a 30ml
Triple all of your weights, the percentages are still the same. Otherwise change the batch size to 30 on your mixing app. If you aren't using one, consider it, because it saves a LOT of time.
The nic concentration I bought for my brother is 12mg in both PG and VG. When vaping this in sub ohm would that be too much nicotine for a smoker who averages 2+ packs a day?
Smokers seem to really struggle when they start to vape, because their lungs have tar in them. Lots and lots of coughing.
12mg would probably be good, I would have him start out with the power of the mod turned down so he can adjust. I can't imagine 2+ packs a day though, just trying to help.
Hi everyone! I have a few questions once again.
First, does steeping time change according to the size of the mix? If I make 15 ml and find that it steeps in 4 days, then 100 ml would steep in the same time or does it need more?
Second, if I put a lot of menthol into a mix with other flavors, just so menthol dominates everything, would it eventually take over the other flavors as it steeps?
And finally, I bought VG and PG in a local chemistry shop, and both had the USP grade. If I buy them somewhere else and they also are USP, then it's the same thing, right?
1 - It doesn't change with volume. Higher VG ratio takes longer though.
2 - Depends on the other flavors and the amounts. Is this desirable?
3 - They're the same, for our purposes.
Well, menthol is something I'm going for. But not pure menthol, if I mix it with strawberry then I want strawberry menthol for instance. Lately I've been mixing with 6 to 10% of menthol and then quarters of other flavors, sometimes 3/4 of a single flavor if I want that specifically.
Menthol is pretty potent and might stand the test of time better than strawberry which tends to be fairly weak, so it's a possibility, sure. If that happens, you can just add more strawberry to the mix to bring it back to life, and adjust the recipe accordingly. Note that all flavors tend to change over time, so adding 5% now and 5% then might not be the same as adding 10% from the start. It's all trial and error.
How the hell do I make a watermelon juice that doesn't take like crap? Everything I try tastes like perfume or soap. I've got like eight different brands and types of watermelon, I've tried different concentrations, and different fruit mixtures, I just can't get it.
I know it's not going to taste like the fruit, that's fine. Candy or fake watermelon is great. I just can't even figure that one out.
FW Watermelon is a nice candy watermelon.
sample recipe:
[LW-1] Lush Watermelon
- FW Watermelon 8%
- INW Cactus 1.5%
EDIT: Wow, looking it up, average percentage is 1-2%, that recipe tastes great to me. I went off of smell when coming up with it. Weird. My other recipes have just as high of a percent too.....no off flavors. Just candied watermelon.
Soooo after almost one year i decided to change to DIY, however, i dont have the space to have a mixing room, so a premade combination seems to work the best, specially since i cant leave the nic on the house fridge.
so i found this site: http://diye-liquidsupplies.com/product/1-5mg-mixing-base/ i will be ordering 1000ml 1.5 nic max vg plus a couple of supplies to measure(separate the mixes on 250mls or 500mls).
what can i do with the extracts or blends on this site that can get me a berry mix with cool hit and a strawberry milk/milkshake.
Extracts/concentrates: http://diye-liquidsupplies.com/products/flavor-extracts/ Blends: http://diye-liquidsupplies.com/products/flavor-blends/
my first mix will be all from the site described above. Thanks for everything! hope i can get some ideas/answers to start.
Apparently this site also offers the base already done: http://www.ecigexpress.com/shop/e-liquid-e-juice/nicotine-bases-top/1mg-24mg-bases-top/1mg-unflavored-nicotine-base-select-size-11923.html
so i can totally use this site as well if preferred.
i've never heard of diye-lquidsupplies so i can't comment on their nic. i've tried ecx once and their nic was so harsh i didn't even use 1/3 of the bottle i got.
as for recipes you can check the All The Flavors and E-Liquid Recipes. go the the flavors for each site and search for menthol. and sort by highest rated, then look at the recipes for each one sorted by highest rated. read the reviews. choose one you like. my preference for berry menthol is this strapple mint and this not at all berry bubba gum.
as for the milk/shake recipes, not my profile i cant really help with that.
Thank you! in the end i think i will order from ecigexpress, seems more safe and its a verified vendor here on this sub reddit!
no problem. we're here to help.
before you order, since you're just starting out make sure all the flavors you buy can be used in more than one recipe. unless you're going out to spend a bunch of money to get started you're going to want to get the most use out of what you do end up buying.
have a look at the my first order wiki and the new my first order thread for ideas on what are go to flavors.
also here a pretty good thread about someones experience being a new mixer
Is there anyone knowing where i can buy jungle flavour concentrate in europe besides chefs ? It's been 3 weeks i've ordered my last batch of flavors and sweet strawberry wasn't in stock anymore and since no luck. I'm kinda bored of waiting for them to restock, any other ideas ?
edit : i did got JF strawberry, any comment about the comparison between that and JF sweet strawberry ?
I have been vaping a while now but I dont do much DIY e juices. The first time I tried to my juices were pretty good (mix strawberry cream) but ever since that first bunch every other attempt is just a waste of money,time and energy. I can't get my ejuice taste like the actuall recipe. The only thing I taste is pure VG. Tbh my first bunch were 3x30ml bottles and every other bunch is in 100 or 200ml bottles. I tried hotbaths, leaving the topcap off for a few hours and then resting for a few days. Nothing is working. I am shaking it about 20 secs before vaping and cant find any flavour inside my juice. I use tpa/capella/fw flavourings and Pink Mule bases 100VG. Any ideas that could help me? The bad thing is thay I cant tell if the recipes are bad or not because I just cant taste them!!!!! Thanks in advance
P.s.: thats the recipes link http://diyordievaping.com/2015/08/13/cereal-milks/
Increase PG to at least 20% of the mix, preferably more.
Try some straight up fruit or berry recipes without creams or sweeteners.
Change the wick often and change to a completely different juice when you start to lose flavor.
Did you try them before the hot baths and leaving the cap off or only afterward?
Tried them before hand. The flavours were more alive but harsher. Also it hadnt blend together well at all after just shaking it hard
Fairly new to this. And I just got some new flavors in. Mixed up something quick and I've never seen this.
http://imgur.com/a/yV0iQ
The juice had some foam at the top. And when I shake it it all gets like cloudy. Anything I should be worried about or any reason why? This is about 8 hours later
Going to need the recipe in order to help you
70/30 vg/pg
.5% FLV Nonna cake
4.5% FW Cake batter dip
2.5% FW blueberry
1% CAP vanilla custard v2
Possibly the fructose in FW Cake Batter Dip. You should not vape fructose in the long run, there is cause for concern, but form your own opinion on the severity of it.
Any 'Not to Do's' when making/steeping juice?
You'll often see the mention of "breathing" and "hot water bath" as means of steeping, but unless you know exactly what you're doing and why, this will do more harm than good.
Shake the bottle thoroughly and put it in a dark cupboard or drawer. If you're steeping for very long, shake it up once a week. Then one final shake before you use try it, that's all it takes.
Were you asking about common pitfalls in the process of mixing too?
Thanks for the reply!
Yes, just general mistakes that are easily avoidable to make the juice to a higher quality :)
Yes? Just like there is with anything you do in life. You would need to be a little more specific. I'm not sure your current question can really be answered.
i.e. what things should i avoid or not do when making juice. I have just ordered all the ingredients to start making my own juice and just wanted some pointers as to what noobie mistakes i can avoid.
Don't mix naked. Typically, mixing while inebriated is a bad idea. Research flavors before trying them to get an idea of how to use them and what to expect. Don't just order a ton of random flavors when first starting out. Buy more bottles than you think you will need. Mix by weight. /u/EdibleMalfunction is right that you should be more specific and that reading all the information in the sidebar is a must, in my opinion.
I am looking for a lemon that tastes like it was just picked off the tree, makes your mouth pucker, not a candy lemon. Does anyone know who makes a lemon like this?
trying some new flavors and have a question about how much to use. I am trying a apple cinnamon with some sweetner @ 7mg 60/40 vg pg
what percent should I be using these flavors at as a starter?
cinnamon danish swirl v2 Capella
apple Fuji flavour art
flavour Apprentice sweetner
Whenever I pick up a new flavor, I go here, reading thru everyone's comments about that particular one.
I will say to stay around 2% with fuji. And sweetener, eh, I never use it. Coil gunker. But if you do, just stay low, like 1% or less. Try it with and without, you may find that you don't need it.
nothing about cds v2 :/
hi should capella marshmallow burn my tounge when tasted neat?? and when put in water turn into white orbs ?
What?
I was mixing using cap Marshmallow and got some on my hand so gave it a taste and it felt like it was burning my tongue so I dropped a few drops into a glass of water and the flavour turned into white blobs and sank to the bottom of the glass
Looking for a few recipe suggestions, I've clearly made the mistake of focusing on dessert flavours an absurd amount which doesn't give me much room to try different stuff. I do however want to vape dessert flavours which is quite handy.
I've made a few recipes from ATF and DiyorDie and to be honest I haven't had much success, they've also tasted a little bland, even the recipes with sweetener. I've also not had much luck with single flavour testing, all of it tastes a little bland with various setups, percentages and steeping times so my sense could just be broken - definitely not olfactory fatigue though.
Open to all ideas on what might be a good shout so here's the list of what I've got:
CAP Apple Pie FW Bavarian Cream TPA Bavarian Cream INW Biscuit FW Cake (yellow) TPA Cappuccino TPA Cheesecake (graham Crust) CAP Chocolate Fudge Brownie CAP Chocolate Glazed Doughnut FA Cream Fresh FW CrÈme De Menthe FA Custard TPA Dulce De Leche FA Espresso Creme TPA Ethyl Maltol TPA French Vanilla FA Joy CAP Lemon Lime CAP Lemon Meringue Pie FA Lemon Sicily CAP Marshmallow TPA Meringue INW Milk Chocolate CAP New York Cheesecake TPA Strawberry (ripe) CAP Sugar Cookie TPA Sweetener TPA Vanilla Bean Ice Cream TPA Vanilla Custard CAP Vanilla Custard TPA Vanilla Swirl
Thanks in advanced and sorry if there's a dedicated thread for this, I swear I've seen one before but couldn't find it.
I have yet another question. I've been looking into high VG juices and how they wick in both my devices (an Ego One and a Subox Mini with Subtank Mini). It seems that if I go higher than 70% VG I may get the occasional dry hit, specially if I chain vape, which I do, a lot. It has happened to me with 75% VG juice, I just fix it with a few primer hits and it's good to go.
I read that one thing I can do is add distilled water to the mix to thin it out. How much of it should I add? Can I use the distilled water that goes into my car? I'm kinda skeptical about this so I want to add the bare minimum so my juices aren't that thick and I don't have any problems with the wicking.
Edit: spelling.
Why not just make a 60/40 blend?
I've found that any more PG than 25 or 30 tends to be too harsh with some flavors that are harsh already by themselves. At first I thought it was the nicotine, because it was almost peppery in taste. But I mixed a 75/25 juice and it was phenomenal. Also much smoother and a more pleasant vape. But the dry hits happened that's why I was worried and did some research and came into the water thing.
Can someone help me make a nice banana and marshmallow mix? I have Banana Cream (LA), Banana Cream (TPA), and Marshmallow (FA).
Full flavor list would be:
Banana Cream (LA)
Banana Cream (TPA)
Bavarain cream tfa
Blueberry (FW)
Cheesecake (Graham Crust) (TPA)
Cinnamon Danish Swirl (Cap)
Marshmallow (FA)
Shisha Strawberry (INW)
Shisha Vanilla (INW)
Strawberry (Ripe) (TPA)
Sugar Cookie (Cap)
Vanilla Bean Ice Cream (TPA)
Vanilla Custard v1 (Cap)
So maybe I'm dumb but, what should my total flavor percentage come out to? I know everything is subjective and different. My last miss was 8% strawberry 4% greek yogurt and 2% coconut. Also having a issue calculating pg ratio. Do I subtract pg flavor base? I feel my vapor is muted if that makes sense. Thanks in advance.
Total flavor usually lands somewhere between 5-20%, it just depends on what you're making and what flavors you're using. 14% is perfectly fine.
Everything PG counts towards the PG ratio, so assuming PG based flavors and nic, it's easiest to add them first and then add PG to the desired ratio, before topping the mix off with VG.
As for muted flavor, that can be for any number of reasons. Try a simple fruit and berry recipe, especially something with citrus, see if the problem remains. Change the coil/wick. Adjust the power of your mod.
Hey, I have a 200ml premixed base, 70/30 vg-pg ratio at 6mg nicotine. I want to add around 12% flavouring to the 200ml base, but that will dilute my nicotine (not by much, but i don't want it to drop below 6.) I also have 36mg/ml nicotine solution at a 50-50 vg-pg ratio, and I have Pure VG and Pure Pg.
Any ideas on how much 36mg/ml 50-50 I should add to reach 6mg nicotine again? ( I don't really mind if the values are not exact with the vg or pg, or flavour, I just need to bump the nicotine level up after mixing the flavours with the premixed base I have). Sorry if this is a stupid question, I tried doing the math but I need a second opinion!
Well that math is too complicated for me at the moment, but I'll give you a rough estimate. Since you have VG I'd suggest overshooting slightly.
Make 250 ml total. Use the full 200 ml base, add 30 ml flavoring (that's 12% of 250 ml), add 8.3 ml of your 36 mg/ml base, and top the last 11.7 ml off with VG. This will give you 250 ml of 6 mg/ml, 12% flavoring and a PG/VG ratio of 37/63. Close enough?
EDIT: Boredom set in, 234 ml total is as close as I get without a formula: 28.1 ml flavoring, 5.7 ml 36 mg/ml nic, no added VG, results in 6 mg/ml, 12% flav, 39/61 PG/VG.
And without adding more nic, you'd end up with 5.29 mg/ml. Enough to be noticeable.
Is all PG/VG created equal?
I've seen a ton of posts saying that the quality of nicotine varies a lot from vendor to vendor but how about the other bases?
I accidentally bought double chocolate dark instead of clear. Besides my juice probably ending up looking like motor oil will the flavor be the same as clear? Not really a new mixer here but just getting started messing with chocolates after Wayne keeps throwing up chocolate based recipes. Thanks all
From what I have read, I believe it has the same flavor, but it does contain Sulfites and Caramel coloring, so it's definitely going to burn depending on how much you use.
I have TFA caramel original on the way along with green apple.
I've read that it is a bad vape for your coils due to the sweetener in the mix. Is there any % I can mix it to avoid damaging my coils until I can get my hands on a better caramel?
Edit: that's a bummer to hear but I'm glad I dodged a bullet! Thanks guys!
You should consider getting FA caramel it's great and works wonders at .5-1%
definitely check that out on your next supply order.
Really?
I haven't done extensive testing with it, but I've been having trouble getting much of any flavor out of it. All the research into it, people keep recommend stacking butterscotch on top of it. Making it seem a little unnecessary in the first place.
Anyone want to guess what's in k-into-n by Kite in Cloud?
http://www.kiteincloud.com/products/k-into-n
The description says "Kuri Kinton, with a deep berry syrup layered on top of sweet potato and candied chestnuts."
A recipe I found for actual kuri kinton has: japanese sweet potatoes, candied chestnuts in syrup, salt, mirin (type of rice wine) and sugar.
I am confuse.
Hey all, i was hoping someone could point me in the right direction for where to buy vg/pg in canada, of the highest quality, preferably vg that doesnt have a faint sour smell/aftertaste like the last stuff i bought. Would also prefer to order online from a source in canada, preferably ontario but anywhere in canada will do... Any thoughts?
I would like to start mixing my own flavors. Where would be the best place to get everything you need in one package?
Shameless plug, also check out /r/FlavorBuys.
Ideally, you'll need vg, pg, nic, something like a $25 AWS LB-501 scale, empty bottles, and flavors. There really aren't any great "all in one" kits, but if you're willing to do a little research, the sidebar here does have everything you need to get started on good footing.
Check out the Verified Vendors list in the sidebar ----->
Just picked up a bottle of Cherimoya (FH) because it seems like an interesting flavor...anyone have any suggestions for a test%? I don't use Flavourah that often, so a jump-off suggestion would be awesome.
Hey all.
I am just now starting to make my own juice, and I've been researching and looking around the site to prepare myself. I have a list of everything that I need, but have two quick questions (and I realize it's mostly subjective). Which DIY site, in your opinion, has the best choice of quality flavors? Is there any brand of flavor made by a particular company that you'd recommend staying away from?
Thank you in advance. I appreciate any input.
Ohh, never mind. I found a flavors review on the side of the sub! Great info.
you... you... you read the sidebar?
Is all VG created equal?
Can I get USP Kosher VG off Amazon and it work just as well (and safely) as VG sold specifically for EJuice?
USP VG from a reliable place is USP VG. As long as you aren't getting it out of the alley dumpster, I would say you are fine.
> As long as you aren't getting it out of the alley dumpster
So I think my nic went bad, the few shake n vapes I've made in the past week have been unusually harsh. I definitely haven't been storing my nic as "properly" as I should, but I didn't think it would go bad THAT quickly at room temp.
So my 60ml mixes that I made during the same time to steep are going to be pretty harsh too. What's the best way to remedy this? Should I just mix it with another 60ml of fresh juice w/ fresh nic and hope that I hide the harshness? Or should I just dump it all and start over?
If it really is your nic there's not much you can do? How are you storing it? Room temp is fine for the most part. It also could be what flavors your using. When I think of shake n vapes I think of primarily fruit flavors that can be harsh/perfumey at first but will mellow out after a few days.
I typically store it away in a box in between mixes, but sometimes I'll leave it on the table for a few days. It's in a squeeze bottle, but I probably need to get a smaller one so there's less air contact or just use a 30ml amber bottle.
Even like Mustard Milk, which I typically vape right away, has been harsh, so it's gotta be my nic.
I've gotta mix up a few juices w/o nic tonight and see if the same recipes w/o nic are still harsh. I was just wondering if I could dilute it down so I don't feel the harshness or should I just cut my losses and start fresh.
Yea, you'll want a smaller bottle so you can shake the nic properly before use and not oxidize your whole stash.
Nic forms hotspots and also wants to float to the top, so if you don't shake the nic, results can be unpredictable.
It wouldn't go bad that quickly. Flavors sound far more likely, try vaping just the nic with PG/VG and make sure you shake the nic. If it's VG based nic, shake it some more. And then a bit more. And..
Like to ask the Pg/Vg ratio recommended for tanks and rda's a lot of mixers do testing in rda that's why i believe it's 70vg/30pg mix but what would be best for tank users ? Since it is a different medium for the juices ?
I use 60/40 in all my mixing. Feels like it still gives a dense enough cloud production while not being overly molasses thick. Works great in all my setups, (then again, I don't have anything with tiny pinhole wicking channels, smallest I have is probably the Cubis but that's been retired due to spitback, gurgling, and lazy to buy more coils )
New Vaper/Mixer here,
I'm trying to start mixing myself.
I live outside the NA, so ordering flavors from most of the websites wouldn't work as the delivery would be 65$+.
So i found a way to get my hands on most of the TPA, FA and CA flavors, but the seller claims all of them are not diluted with PG. So my question is, how the hell do i make it work?
It's sold in 10ml bottles. He claims that 10ml non-diluted flavor = 500ml juice made. How do i get the proportions right? How do i measure it? By the drops?
The common e-liquid-recipes calculator doesn't seem to be working with the non-diluted flavors.
Sorry for the bad English, not my first language.
Good evening, lurker/new guy here. I was wondering if there was a recipe request area. I see a clone and a suggest a recipe area but no straight up request place. I dont wanna step outta line by just asking anywhere.
There's a suggest a recipe thread. Let me see if I can find the link.
https://redd.it/5g2wts
E: I see you've already found that. Other than that there's no real way. You might tell us what your profile is here and people might throw out some things but I'm not sure if this is the right place.
Thanks for the reply. I'm looking for a black cherry yogurt blend. I read through a few older threads using that as a search, and the majority said that cherry/ black cherry was a difficult thing to master. Was wondering if anyone had anything. If this isnt the place for this, I'm sorry
Cherry is hard, no doubt. FA Black is the best I have tried, so I will give it a try with Cap Creamy Yogurt. See how that goes and adjust from there. It's def gonna take some steeping time, and I will let you know if it works out.
Iffen you want to try then I recommend 1% or less of BC and 4-5% CY.
What's the best way to store bulk concentrate?
I'm about to pick up 500ml of a pre-mixed flavour base and hope it'll last a little while, are there any tips for storing flavour concentrates like there are for nicotine or am I going to be fine wherever I leave it?
EDIT: Would also appreciate some recommendations on a blue slush recipe, I've had a good hunt on ATF but there's no results for 'slush' and 'Blue' seems to not bring up what I'm after - is there a better way for me to find these?
EDIT EDIT: When using a pre-mixed flavour base is it still recommended to steep as normal to allow the base and VG to mix?
Slush, eh? Try THIS. I'm willing to call it the gold standard.
Aha, I did see this one but sadly don't have a single flavour listed! I'm trying to get away from my absurd range of desserts...
I guess I'll have to give in and order those, although the 500ml concentrate I'm looking at is £50, I don't think I could get much under that DIYing which makes me both a little sad and kind of happy at the same time.
Thanks for your help!
What flavor base did you get?
I'd just store it like you'd store a juice that you are aging. Keep it in a cool and dark area or if you want to take it a step further, keep it in the fridge.
Yes, steep as normal when using a flavor base.
Does too much flavoring cause a numbing strange taste?
Sure, excessive flavoring can dull your senses. On top of this, if you deviate too much from the recommended percentages for a concentrate, it may taste completely different, which is usually pretty bad.
Thanks. I'm had to discard 2 ten mils. 2nd and 3rd try. First batch was gold. But I did my math wrong. I was measuring for 30 mil. :/
What /u/coop34 said :)
Also, be aware that dulled senses can take quite a while to recover, so further testing might not give you an accurate impression. Even going back to the first batch, it might no longer seem like gold, because your impression of it could be altered. Look up "olfactory fatigue" or "vapers tongue" if you want to know more.
Hey guys so basically my problem here is as the title suggests my pg has a very sour/bitter taste to it, to the point where it's unvapable. I got it from liquid barn and I contacted them and they were nice enough to send me a new bottle to test free of charge! Kudos to them. I'm waiting for it in the mail right now.
However I'm worried I'll get the same taste, I'm hoping not but the thought is there. Has anyone had this problem before? Is it liquid barn, or maybe just my batch? And if so where do you suggest I get my pg from if my new bottle has the same taste?
I normally don't put much in my mix usually 70/30 VG/PG. But recently I've tried 100% of each to see where this sour/bitter taste was coming from and it's my PG.
I've never tasted this from premium juice, or even house juice/lower quality juice (I.e plume) this is very strange to me, I am new to diy but I did go through this subreddit and couldn't find anyone who's had the same issue.
TL;DR My PG has a sour/bitter taste and I'm not sure what to do.
Sounds like degradation through improper storage.
Not something you hear about a lot, but it can certainly happen. If LB doesn't correct the issue, ask for a refund and look elsewhere.
So I finally amassed a small collection of flavors and I recently received my shipment of 10ml bottles which I intend to use as testers. Can somebody give me some pointers as to how much flavor % I should put into my juice? Basically it's Unflavored vg and flavoring...so it's going to be thick. I intend to mix at max VG (I also use real flavors which are vg based). For example, I have INW cactus and want to taste test before throwing it into a juice mix (it's a pricy lil flavoring). Would 10% cactus fruit flavor and 90% Unflavored vg be good enough to get an idea of what I'm tasting? Should I go to 15%?
All concentrates are of different strengths, so in short, it varies. Generally, some brands are more potent than others. Inawera is one of the strongest brands and is normally used in the 0.1-2% range, though there are exceptions. 10% INW Cactus sounds fun, but at 0.5% it can completely dominate a recipe. 10% is probably a good starting point for your Real Flavors concentrates though, as those seem to be much less potent. I have no personal experience with those.
Check ELR or ATF to get a recommended percentage for each concentrate.
Personally I just assume 1% for INW, 3% for FA and 5% for CAP/TFA/FW and do a single test. Some like to test at various strengths and steep for weeks, but this is a lot of work. I only do a second test if the first one produced undesirable results.
Do note that VG is not a good flavor carrier, so you might need slightly more flavoring than recommended and let your samples sit for a day or two before you try them.
Different ones are different, usually different brands have about the same. But I usually start by smell. Smell is a great way to tell, take two flavors put them equal distance from your nose, smell one, smell the other, I doubt they have the same strength, I doubt the strength is even easily measureable.
It's sort of like that. You have to learn it and figure it out over time.
Need adjusting advice Please Thanks in advance
When mixing flavors that may need adjustments is it better to start out high like 10% and add pg/vg Or is it best to go light like 4% and go up?
2-Will one of the two require less or more steep time?
3-I use a syringe and beakers to measure but I see some recipes call for very precise measurement like 6.5 % ..What are they use to measure so precisely?
Thanks Larry
Well, you can't really take flavoring out so obviously it would be better to start light then increase if needed.
Aging time is aging time no matter what.
I'd say the majority of us mix by weight. Percentages are relative to mixing by weight as well as volume. You should be using an eliquid calculator in which you can input flavorings by percentages and it will spit out a weight or measurement of volume depending on how you mix.
Is there any kind of site where I can put in what flavors I have and it will recommend recipes? I got a starter pack, but I don't know how much of each to put in, or what will go good together.
Look here for starting % suggestions. Also, alltheflavors.com has a feature where you build your stash and it will suggest recipes.
Welcome!
my DIY ejuice burning to hot after a couple of puffs my mix is 60-40 PG-VG 6 mg nicotine menthol & cinnamon any tips
Is there a thread that has recipes geared more towards MTL? Are there certain recipes that are harder to pull through? Should percentages change?
I don't MTL much, but when I do I increase the nic significantly for that throat hit. I also increase PG partially for that reason, but mostly because MTL tanks tend to have really small wicking holes that can't handle high VG. The added benefit of more PG is that flavor is carried better, so you shouldn't have to bump up the percentages, but there's nothing stopping you if you still feel it's too weak. A 25-50% increase should suffice, but I would probably try increasing PG even more first. MTL doesn't exclude you from any recipes though; same thing, different style.
Ok. Sorry I should've explained better. But thanks so much for reply. Those thing I knew, I use 50/50 in my nautilus x (even tho it could handle higher vg). I do increase the nic significantly, I just wanted to know if flavour percentages stayed the same, as well as if there are any flavour profiles that don't do well in mouth to lung setups
Just got into DIY E liquid and made my first few bottles and the results are looking good so far. I was just wondering where you UK guys buy your PG, VG, Concentrate and Nicotine Bases from? I bought my first few bottles from vapemate, does anybody have any other recommendations?
Read a post on this thread and figured I would ask. Is there any way besides mixing flavors with pg/vg to see if the general flavor mix will be good. For example would I be able to mix in water and taste what different flavors might produce? I normally mix small amount (5-10 ml) to taste test.