Setup: Recoil w/ flavor barrel, Dual 15 wrap 26g 3mm Nifethal 70 coils @.18 ohms. 60w power, 450F temp limit. Full Cotton Wicks.
Testing: CAP Butter Cream@ 4%, 60/40 VG/PG, Steeped 24 days.
Before we begin here, /u/mlNikon/ and I posted reviews within 15 minutes of each other. You should check that out here, especially because they get a clear butter flavor out of this.
Flavor Description: A subtle, undersweet, buttercream frosting flavor. When I've made actual buttercream frosting I've always been suprised by how waxy and fatty-tasting it actually is. Then I double the sugar and just go to fat-kid heaven. This captures the feeling of an undersweetened homemade buttercream almost perfectly.
Dense inhale. No real discernible flavor, just a heavy richness. Exhale is more of the same. Light sweetness, dense creamy flavor without pronounced dairy notes. I don't taste a ton going on here. I'd classify this more as a mouthfeel additive as opposed to a flavor. It gives the impression of buttery richness without cheesy dairy notes. It also doesn't give me that stale cardboard taste that you can get with dense flavors that don't have a lot going on. Finish is relatively clean, with just a lingering thick waxy mouthfeel.
Off-flavors: Finish is a bit waxy, but not playdough / phenolic like CAP glazed donut. It's a rich waxyness you'd get from an actual butter-cream.
Throat Hit: 0/10
Uses: Dense, rich, thick mouthfeel for creams and cream mixes.
Pairings: This flavor is nuetral enough that your pairings should be wide open. I added some buttercream to CAP cranberry and CAP grapefruit testers and it seems to work well with sharper fruits, so I'm going to officially say "damn near anything" including creams, all your fruits, bakeries, nuts, maybe even some tobaccos. I'd stay away from anything too astringent or heavy menthol.
Notes: You should probably just check the second opinions down at the bottom here. I get all mouthfeel and very subtle dairy notes. In terms of percentages, 1-2% is the definite consensus. I get a really noticeable change in mouthfeel as low as 1%. I'd stay away from using this as a primary flavor. The waxyness gets a bit much even at 4%. If everyone else is right, and I am crazy, then the butter/dairy notes will be too pronounced at higher percentages.
Second Opinions:
I picked this up (and I'm guessing I'm not alone here) when that Apple Buttah recipe from /u/goldfish18/ dropped. His description is basically straight up butter with a slight sweetness.
/u/thecleanvape calls it straight butter.
ELR users pick up a strong butter taste
So, basically everyone else tastes heavy butter here. I don't really. I do get the impression of butter without the heavy dairy notes. I'm willing to assume that my taste buds are weird, but YMMV.
Thanks for another detailed review. I got something in-between what you're describing and "basically straight up butter with a slight sweetness" but leaning more toward the butter. Oh, and you're not alone in picking it up when /u/Goldfish18's Apple Buttah dropped, I did the same thing.
It was the great buttercream rush of '16. I've got a tester of CAP Golden Butter and I'm getting the butter flavor a lot more clearly there. I was desperate enough to buy the butter cream rebottled so that may be some of discrepancy. I'm just going change "second opinions" to "covering my ass."
Nah don't change it at all. You might just be picking up things that others aren't and that's totally fine! I think we all agree with the waxiness this flavor gives off when used at 3% plus, though. I'm looking forward to your Golden Butter review because that was what I meant to order instead of Butter Cream. I guess the flavor gods were wanting me to buy and use it!
Could you take a picture of your Recoil build with the top cap off, please? I'm just interested in your coil placement because I'm trying to figure out what works best. Thanks for the awesome reviews!
In terms of placement, that's pretty much the only way it'll fit. Nifethal stays pretty springy so it's easy to move around a bit to rewick.
God damn, I think I got a dud bottle of this stuff. Or maybe it's just old, I've had it for a long time (8-12 months), but not as long as some of my other concentrates.
To me it's more like a slightly creamy (as in mouthfeel) marshmallow. No waxy-ness that you describe. No flavour or impression of buttery-ness that you and others are describing. It tastes nothing like butter cream frosting to me. But I guess overall my perception of this is closer to your's than what most of the other's are describing.
It's an OG CAP bottle so it's unlikely to be mislabelled, and it's def not mislabelled CAP Marshmallow. Hmmm, might have to pick up another bottle sometime and see what's up.
We have anecdotal evidence now! I don't think you're wrong here. Whatever it is that is going on here probably depends on something that people have differing levels of sensitivity to. I figured it couldn't just be strawberry that hits people's palates differently.
Huh, now you mention it, butter isn't something I pick up in a lot of juices but I've had a few people tell me the juice smells buttery. Probably the only mix I've made that I've thought 'shit, this tastes like butter' is Manson's Strawberry Shortcake Bar. So I think you could be right, I may have low sensitivity to whatever this compound is.
oh, I just saw that. That is funny. I like your review better. You really do a nice job of putting what you taste into words. Mine should just say ditto lol.
I think I got a bad batch. It's a very yellowy liquid but tastes absolutely nothing. I even dripped it on my coils directly and still tastes nothing. It's driving me nuts!
I got a taste, although fairly faint. Are you noticing a pronounced density? Like does the vapor feel fluffy and kind of coat your mouth? I'm not sure if you got a bad batch, I think this is just super subjective.
When I added butter cream to custards and heavy things like that it turned the juice into butter. Even .5 to 1% was just too much and overwhelmed it all with a butter taste. I've never actually used it past 1% because of that. I've used it in a few bakery recipes and it was fine though.