STEEP YOUR JUICE! and no not a one week steep STEEEP YOUR JUICE. I've been mixing for almost three years now and I just recently started actually steeping my juice, what is actual steeping to me, 2-3 weeks easy but a month is best or longer it's up to you, a juice I've been vaping for a few months now is the
Monster Melons Clone
• TFA Cantaloupe 5%
• TFA Payaya 5%
• TFA Mango 5%
• TFA Marshmallow 2%
It's known as a Shake and Vape, Simple fruit flavor you can kind of taste each fruit, kinda candy-ish flavor but after a month steep WOW complete different flavor profile, the taste went from a fruity normal kinda vape to a delicious blended fruit almost starburst flavor with a slight creamy ending to it. DON'T LISTEN TO SHAKE AND VAPE. This is just my opinion but when you mix your ADV mix two bottles and store one away and forget about it until your current juice is gone. I know its painful waiting especially for me being extremely impatient but believe me, good things come to those who wait my friends.
Edit: If you mix your own juices from scratch and have a great vape for a week but after the week the flavor starts to go away and it feels like it is getting muted, try lowering your flavoring.
I'm so sad I spent like 15 minutes proof reading and fixing the spaces in between the flavorings to make it look professional but this happened
This thread had me laughing out loud at work. I was getting some funny looks.
Always good to share some laughs with random strangers on the internet
Use bullets next time, less effort.
The way this came out, boy did it make me laugh. I agree with everything, but I read it like someone on coke speaking without punctuation
Yeah, my grammar and punctuation isn't a skill of mine, but I can cook a meann scrambled egg.
Same here.Yeah, you probably got that NI on your report card in school.Right next to grammar and punctuation. "needs improvement" Then went and said well I ain't no fucking mark twain,but I can live with that.
P.S double negatives are a necessity!
As a noob, I thank you, this is interesting & encouraging.
I would note from research (mainly DIYorDIE) that every recipe will react differently to steeping, some will benefit hugely from steeping, some may actually get worse and be better as a SnV, and everything in between, but it is still important to:
- Understand that steeping changes e-liquid flavour and is important.
- Make people aware of it.
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Some recipes benefit from a month.
Some recipes have no flavor left after 2 weeks.
Some recipes are best the day of.
It really just depends.
You're so incredibly right I can't even properly express it through my keyboard. Just make big batches once you know what you like and leave it in a drawer or something. I have about 2L of various juices sitting on my desk patiently waiting on me while I vape through my current supply. Always have a backstock and aim for at least a month. Things get better.
I like the username. The reason why I posted this is because a while ago I was vaping Strawberry Shortcake Bar I don't remember the creator of the recipe but you should really try it, getting off track but I don't vape alot so after a month I was down to my last tank full of juice the juice starts out as a pale cloudy white and after a month.. the flavor enhanced so much and the color was the perfect dark amber I mixed 200ml of it last month and its gone I've never experienced such a strong vapors tongue because thats all I was vaping.
Haha what a coincidence! I just mixed up 250mL of it yesterday to start steeping. I can't wait for December. I haven't vaped strawberry in a long time because I couldn't taste it at all. Also, just for the sake of giving credit where it is due, /u/notcharlesmanson is the creator of the strawberry shortcake bar. This juice opened my eyes to the INW world.
Solid advice. One of my ADVs is a 'shake and vape' and I rarely give it time to steep since I'm impatient haha. I forgot about a batch I made a bit ago and tested it out recently. Giving it time really did help. The overpowering flavors mellowed out, and I could actually taste all the parts. Now if only I had made and forgotten more...
Like you think wow this shake and vape is great, but if you only give it some time it really improves, maybe not majorly but those little differences make it a more relaxable enjoyable vape. I'm not even sure relaxable or majorly is a word but thats the only way I could describe it Lol
I'm weird.
I enjoy pretty much every juice without a steep, hell I even prefer some without one. I do agree that most benefit, but I'm too impatient.
On the other hand, I can't vape anything with higher amounts of CAP VC v1 after a couple weeks. It gets too rich and makes me feel sick.
And CAP VC V1 taste like thick hot eggy ass when its not steeped. Not really but you get the point.
Try 1-4% instead of 8% Cap VC V1 & it won't taste like thick hot eggy ass as you're vaping it freshly unsteeped =p
Get V2?
Ew, butyric acid.
I'm not familiar with VC V1, but I am familiar with CAP French Vanilla V1 vs V2 and I get not of the vomitty-ness or waxyness. It does seems more alcohol-y and has a much more subtle flavor, which works better in my recipes.
In my last order I decided to replace my V2 with V1 and now all my recipes are really thrown off. The V1 just seems more rich. I'm not sure if that's just CAP's French Vanilla though.
I had TFA DX Bavarian Cream, and that shit is horrible.
Tastes and smells like vomit.
I like the v1, but without letting it steep.
Everything I make will be well steeped by the time I vape it just due to my mixing habits. I make a lot of different recipes at one go, then into the drawers they go. But I only vape about 4-5 mL/day.
I haven't mixed since June and I've still got 150-200 bottles of juice waiting. Right now, I'm vaping something I mixed on October 14, 2014. So, it's well steeped :)
Like Magnus8wood said don't listen to me word for word because its been almost 3 years and I am still learning alot, most juices that require a week steeping can really improve from an extra week or two, whenever I try making a new recipe from scratch I'll make a couple 3ml testers and check which ones are the best from day 1 all the way to a month and I've had alott of experiences when juices have been so bad that I've had to change my wicks, Hope this helps you best of luck to you my friend.
Haven't made my own juice yet but i usually buy juice that needed to be steeped in larger quantities so that I can taste em change.
If you like cereal e juices try VaporTrailsNW - Crunch Addict I haven't had it in like 2 years but it was hands down the best Crunch Berry E-Juice I've ever had, they are the reason I started DIY to try to clone their recipe but it needs a good steep.. I lost point of this comment I was trying to say VaporTrailsNW sells one month long steeped juice.
Basically a logarithmic process. You'll see huge changes over say 2-24 hours, 3 days, a week. After that you're just going to be encountering gradual flavor loss, but considering that 99% of recipes are grossly over flavored, many people note benefits steeping for two weeks+.
Yeppppp I've won't even test a recipe with over 22% that's where I limit myself but I try to stay until 18.5% when mixing from scratch.
Regarding aging, will small batches age quicker than large batches?
I believe so, just throw your bottle in your sock drawer shut it wait and test it every couple of days. OH and write down flavor notes and things that can be done to improve your recipe and write down updates about the steep time to see when is it at its best. Believe me it helps
Since I make juice for myself and others, others like their juice within days notice so it makes steeping harder for them. I can't pre-steep what I think they'll want because the different nicotine levels. Can I pre-steep juice without nic in it and then add nicotine into it the day before use? Thanks for all the good info. I've been working on steeping for my personal use and taste and it helps pop those flavors so much!
YES! this is what I've been doing i'll make juice into a 8oz bottle with no nicotine then whenever I think it is ready or I need juice I pour it into a 30ml and add the correct precentage of nicotine.
Does steeped juice (without nic) ever reach a point to were it's over steeped and no longer tastes good? "Loss of flavor or etc."
It really does depend on the recipe because overflavored recipes are great the first week and horrible the second, im sure their is some sort of over steeped or expired juice but it would take a hell of a long time, I suggest before you go the large quantity route make a 30ml bottle of the juice you wanna test and keep notes on the flavor profile and when is its best steeping time and see how the juice is affected after a month, did the flavor improve or weaken.
Sorry about the grammar and punctuation.
:/
you could class me as a noob i suppose, ive been doing it for a while but im really bad at it lol.
what i do is make 5 50-100ml batches of different flavours and then i kind of use each one intermittantly until they run out, does opening and closing the bottle many times interfere with it? do you think what im doing is classed as steeping as they last for a couple of months before there gone
If you mean breathing your juice like taking off the cap and dripper top and leaving it, yes that does ruin the flavor But opening up the cap for a little just to drip or fill your tank won't mess anything up.
Yep, no one likes to wait weeks for their mixes to be ready. I've had some recipes that were horrible for the first few months, ended up at the back of the steeping shelf or in a drawer, only to find it at 6 months steep time, and it's lovely now. It happens to me all the time. Sometimes certain volatiles have to offgas, or be allowed to deteriorate in order for the other flavoring molecules to shine through.
I actually just posted an article talking about steeping on my website yesterday. I have more on the subject, but I am still researching the various effects and chemical reactions.
In my testings I've found some other methods that can speed up the process that we call steeping, even though I hate that word being used because that is not what is going on at the molecular level...but hayho, steeping is here to stay as the phrase for what we are doing with the juice. Extreme agitation speeds up the process. Heat also speeds up the process, but sometimes can have undesirable side effects to some aroma molecules, especially top note ones.
My method for testing recipes is to test right after mixing, test at 3 days, test at 1 week, then weekly until the liquid stops changing drastically...using just the mix in the bottle technique. My method for using my vortexer is a little different now that I am getting to know how it works. I don't test them right away. I let them sit for 3 days in the test tube without opening the cap. I feel that it keeps in some of the top note molecules that may have been atomized during the agitation process and allows them to settle back into the mix rather than offgassing when I open the top. I ran a test run with 5 different recipes, 15ml test tubes, mixed 2 of each. One that I opened right away, and one that I left to sit for 3 days before opening. The ones left to sit for 3 days had more noticeable top notes than the ones I opened right away. But these are only early tests I am running with the vortex mixer. I will write follow up articles on my site concerning the advanced "steeping" methods, next one will be about the magnetic stirrer, as I've been running tests with that for about a year. :)
You give good advice to the new mixers, don't trust shake and vape recipes to be awesome for you. I've got a couple that I think are great vapes right away, but they do still change over the course of a couple of weeks, though they change in a good way, some can change in a bad way. Some recipes you may only like when it's fresh...for instance I love FA Black Fire when it's fresh. For me when it has had time to sit, it tends to blend out and I can't taste it as much. I could use more, but I've gotten comfortable with my tobacco recipes being shake and vape for my ADVs.
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