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I'm Elisha from Kenco Label. We work with hundreds E-Juice companies across North America. AMA about ejuice labels!
submitted almost 9 years ago by tobaccowhacko

I'm Elisha from Kenco Label & Tag Co., LLC. I have been a part of the labeling industry for almost 20 years and have been working with eJuice customers for over 6 years. I have worked with large, medium, and small sized eJuice companies and have also helped many DIYers like yourself. Whether you need 50 labels or 50 million labels, I can help answer any questions you may have about labeleling your products. AMA!

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by goldfish18almost 9 years agoWinner of the 1st DIYorDIE World Mixing Championship

How often do you have to turn customers away that want labels such as these? 1, 2, 3

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by hyperlite310almost 9 years ago

If that isn't marketing to children, then I don't know what is. This should be outlawed and the companys should face some sort of penalty! I hate walking into a B&M and seeing labels like these!

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by Tiptup300almost 9 years ago

Because people over the age of 18 shouldn't ever like anything that people under the age of 18 like. Therefore everything that people over the age of 18 like should NEEEVER be mixed with things that people under the age of 18 like. It should be ILLLLLLLLLLLLLEGAL. There should be LAWS! The government should govern it. RIGHT NOW. LETS DO THIS.

There should be rules. IM TALKING ABOUT DRAWING A LINE IN THE SAND DUDE.

We should ban ALLL flavors that have ANY sort of sugar in it. And colors too. I hate colors they're so munipultive. I once had a nephew who was walking home from school and some colors convinced him to try some drugs and he ended up getting into D&D. COLORS ARE BAD AND EVERYTHING IN THEM. Actually everything fun.

We should ban fun,

kids like fun,

lets ban that too.

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by hyperlite310almost 9 years ago

It has nothing to do with fun, liking things children like or sugar... If a company wants to market there product being something that tastes like, let's say a cereal, then name it and put a description so the end user has a reference. If I'm vaping a cereal I want to know I'm vaping a cereal. I don't need an image of a cartoon character to tell me it's cereal, because I'm an adult (most of the time (; )

I for one love cereal! Apple Jax, Captain Crunch and Fruit Loops! Though where are these products marketed? Think about the last time you saw a Fruit Loops commercial? I can guarantee Mr Toucan Sam wasn't flying around Fox News.

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by tobaccowhackoalmost 9 years ago

We make labels for thousands of companies and about once a week we see something that is questionable like the images pictured above. We refer these images to our legal department and they contact the owner of the copyrighted material to make an inquiry about their legality. Most of what we see is usually Sports league related, or disney when it comes to reproducing copyrighted material. In many cases though, things like this are usually nipped in the ~~butt~~ bud before they even make it to us.

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by Tepoztecatlalmost 9 years ago

The expression is "nip it in the bud", but I still giggled.

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by tobaccowhackoalmost 9 years ago

TIL ;)

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by vapingatfiftyalmost 9 years ago

But someone else certainly steps in and prints them.

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by tobaccowhackoalmost 9 years ago

They do, however from my experience those printers or suppliers aren't in North America. Because if they were, those violating copyright law would get hunted down by the legal departments without mercy. One of the main reasons we are careful about it.

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by Tiptup300almost 9 years ago

Second one is crass parody. I don't like it, but nothing wrong with it. Third one is content stealing. Not clever, not worth anything, not okay. I don't see anything wrong with the first one, I actually really like the first one.

It's art. There's gray area.

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by drumbtralmost 9 years ago

Do you vape yourself? Do you ever get sent samples from companies? Not really about the labels but more about your profession.

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by tobaccowhackoalmost 9 years ago

I'm more of a cigar smoker, but that's not to say I haven't or don't vape. When I do occasionally vape, it's more in a social scenario. As for free samples, I get sent bottles for measurement purposes often, but generally ask clients to not send me gifts or samples. I ask instead to send them to Juice for Troops or find a family member or friend and donate it to them if they are active military.

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by CheebaSteebaalmost 9 years agoFrugivore

Recommend a cigar? Been digging tobacco vapes a lot lately

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by tobaccowhackoalmost 9 years ago

Really it comes down to your flavor preferences. If you like a more mild tobacco flavor with something more of a hay/nutty taste, I would recommend a cigar like Four Kicks by Crowned Heads or perhaps a padron 6000 natural. If you want something darker with earthy tones and coffee check out a undercrown by Drew Estate or a Camacho Tripple Maduro. All of these cigars should be readily available at your local cigar shop. They should also be less than $8.00 per cigar. Visit your local shop and talk to someone that works there and tell them what you like. Generally speaking BOTL (brothers of the leaf) in shops will also help you find something to match your preferences. The cigar community is similar to the vaping community in the sense that you are all hobbyists and 99% super friendly and wanting to share in your passion for delicious and creamy smoke!

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by danielfromparisalmost 9 years ago

thats so nice :)

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by tobaccowhackoalmost 9 years ago

I can't take credit for the idea, this is something we do in the cigar community a lot. Cigar for warriors is an organization I have a lot of experience with.

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by T_Macealmost 9 years agoresident tobacco specialist

Do you have labels with different shapes other than standard rectangle? What are my options?

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by tobaccowhackoalmost 9 years ago

We have roughly 15,000 die sizes with round corner rectangles, square cornered rectangles, circles, ovals, and even completely unique shapes. Custom dies cost anywhere from $150.00 to $300 depending on their size and complexity. Those are a one time charge. Another option depending on your quantities would be for a label manufacturer to use laser die cutting or vinyl plotting. There are upsides and downsides to these methods. Do you have a specific example for what exactly you are looking for or just asking in general?

As an example of a custom shape I have used for a e-juice customer was a tombstone shape for their limited edition halloween blends.

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by T_Macealmost 9 years agoresident tobacco specialist

Are there prices listed on your site? I'm on my phone at work or else I'd just go check myself but if you have some links to prices and examples of various shapes that would be great.

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by tobaccowhackoalmost 9 years ago

We have prices on our site for blank labels for pretty much any printer ever made. When it comes to custom printing however, there are just way too many variables and price fluctuations to give a set price. We also pride ourselves being the cheapest so we don't like to advertise printed pricing. Most ejuice labels we make start at $99.00 for 1000 labels to fit a 15 mil bottle. High quality, 4 color process, weatherproof.

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by ID10-Talmost 9 years ago

Hi, Elisha! I'm happy you're reaching out to DIY'ers, many of whom are in search of labeling solutions. However, we have a pretty strict policy here about commercial posts. You're more than welcome to go through our verified vendors process, though. If you complete that process, you'll be the first labeler on the list.

https://www.reddit.com/r/DIY_eJuice/comments/3x95kc/announcement_new_verified_vendors_list/

This is the current list:

https://www.reddit.com/r/DIY_eJuice/wiki/verified_vendors

Edit: deleted part about deleting this post. Ask Elisha anything!

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by tobaccowhackoalmost 9 years ago

I have done an AMA here before and this was brought up last time. However if you would still like me to fill this out again I can do so.

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by ID10-Talmost 9 years ago

I'm sorry. I just went back and looked at your previous AMA. It wasn't a spammy post at all, it was a true AMA about all things label-related that went over really well. You're definitely welcome to do that again as far as I'm concerned.

You went through the whole verified vendor process before and didn't get on the list? That's something I'll have to look into. It's possible you missed a step in the process or we missed your email somehow. Yes, please do fill that out again when you have time, it would be nice to have a labeler on the list. In the meantime, carry on with your AMA.

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by tobaccowhackoalmost 9 years ago

sounds good! also, I emailed the info again. If I screwed it up. let me know!

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by ckivealmost 9 years ago

Since I ran the last group buy and am preparing the next one, I was curious at what point you feel it makes sense to ditch DIY labeling and go the commercial route? I'd love to have quality, durable labels on the flavors we are sending out, but I'm also very cost-conscious as every little bit we save can be applied to getting more flavors in DIY'ers hands or towards mitigating cost overruns.

The last group buy we did ended up having some really great labels, but they were a bit of a time sink. 16 labels for each of 36 varieties (576 labels in total) was what we did for the last run, and it isn't inconceivable that within the next couple of runs we will move up towards 64-128 x 30-50 varieties.

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by tobaccowhackoalmost 9 years ago

Great question. DIY vs Commercial printing always comes down to price (IMO) While I could print all these labels for you, I would recommend a DIY approach. The most expensive part about using a commercial printer is labor. Every Time there is a copy change (a different print) it adds some form of labor to the cost. Even using a digital printer that doesn't pause between copy changes, it still takes a human to separate the copy changes and packaging, or the graphic artist to set up your art work, or (hopefully) a supervisor to double check the printed work. With your specific application I would strongly recommend sticking with a DIY approach for the quantities listed. If lets say each label version was closer to 500 copies each then I would maybe look at a commercial printer to quote you out. But anything less than 500 labels makes for more labor.

The next thing you need to ask yourself is "What is the best DIY option for ejuice labels?". That is a tough question. There are so many options out there and price differences, and printing technologies that I could go on for hours. A very popular and low cost option is to use a sheet fed desktop laser printer using a synthetic material like a gloss polyester or a Vinyl. (use vinyl for plastic squeeze bottles as vinyl stretches and won't crack as much as a poly) There are lots of companies that make synthetic address labels for laser printers. Those sizes work well on 15/30ml bottles. If you don't have a laser printer visit your local print store or fedex location. It's inexpensive considering the quality you get. Just be sure to have your template set up correctly and print a bleed 0.125" over the edge of the label and also make sure you leave yourself 0.125" on the inside. Most printers (unless you go high end) have a lot of "wiggle" so always leave yourself room for play.

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by ckivealmost 9 years ago

Awesome, thank you. I'd toyed around with the idea of having a printer do the work, but it seemed to be very borderline. I really appreciate the advice, and also clarifying the kinds of labels that are best used on each substrate! :)

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by ckivealmost 9 years ago

What DIY printing solutions do you feel provide the highest quality/durability/ease-of-printing for DIY'ers at consumer price points? I've seen everything from thermal labels to avery sheets to sticker printers.

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by tobaccowhackoalmost 9 years ago

A lot of it depends on answering these questions.

  • How many labels do you print at a time?

  • How often do you print?

  • Do you need full color or just black and white?

You can go buy yourself a Dymo Labelwriter direct thermal printer and some synthetic material and print durable B&W labels for your bottles at a very reasonable cost. The printer is super simple to use and the labels are cheap. You can also set up a label in less than a minute and have it printed. The downside is it's only black and white, and the direct thermal material gets scuffed easily and turns yellow over time. (especially in direct sunlight.)

Another option is using 8.5" x 11" address labels with a laser printer. Just be sure to use a synthetic material. Synthetic materials like vinyl (better for plastic squeeze bottles) and polyesters (better for glass) are moisture resistant and when paired with laser toner they hold up very well.

Setting up your art for for address labels can be a bit tough, but I recommend using a design software as opposed to word or pages. Laying out your laser sheets in illustrator makes it a hell of a lot easier to create full bleeds and high quality art.

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by bobbysavagealmost 9 years agoResident Tobacco Specialist

Hi Elisha Im a lil late to the party however.... I thought you might get a kick out of this thread.

Not Safe For Work warning (no nudity)

https://www.reddit.com/r/DIY_eJuice/comments/3xag1m/i_design_labels_beyond_an_amateur_level/

Feel free to use any of those labels just dont tell anyone you got em from me.

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by tobaccowhackoalmost 9 years ago

HAHAHA. EPIC.

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