Yes, I know cream has been a topic that's been discussed again and again. But before you ask me to refer to the searchbar, I'd like to kindly point out that I've done so. But after browsing tens of hundreds of threads on here as well as VU, one thing is apparent. The discussions ultimately end up going nowhere.
It feels like no one has actually nailed a creamy base with a thick mouthfeel (no homo) with the exception of "premium" ejuice vendors. As a matter of fact, we've seen a lot of vendors do this (Suicide Bunny's Mothers Milk and Seduce Juice with their signature cream base, which they use in Snake Venom, Snake Oil and many others).
I know some of you will recommend CAP Vanilla Custard because of its inherent diacetyl qualities. But Seduce Juice has openly said that their cream does not have any diacetyl. So that's out of the picture. What else do you guys reckon they could be using?
Here's my progress so far with a cream base:
Jizzstone
For maximum mouth feel and creaminess
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FW Bavarian Cream 4%
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FW Sweet Cream 2%
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CAP Vanilla Custard 2%
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FA Fresh Cream 1%
When fresh, it's obviously good, not great. Over time, I believe it'll get creamier. But I'm hoping with your collective help, we can nail a ubiquitous, versatile and dense cream base we can start applying to fruits, bakeries and even tobaccos.
Do you have a creamstone base that you use? Is there some secret flavoring that we've all been missing out on? I'd love to hear it so we can crack this.
EDIT: Someone opened a few accounts to downvote all my comments. Whoever you are, you are incredibly sad and I hope you find something more productive to do with your life.
Fuck you, read the sidebar!
J/K, I've always found that mixing in a marshmallow flavoring (usually around 1% and usually FA or CAP) gives me more of the mouthfeel feeling I want in my creamy vapes. I usually either pair it with TFA Bavarian Cream or (more recently due to tasting u/cheebasteeba's delicious ass hell Berry Creamy) FLV Cream.
Do you have a tried and tested cream base that you use? I switched to FW Bavarian cream and FW Sweet Cream, just because of how much of a thicker and buttery mouthfeel it gives.
I have also been giving FW Bavarian Cream its fair shake lately. I've found I also think its heavier and sweeter than the TFA counterpart. Recently, I've used it at 4% along with FA Meringue 1.5% and TFA Marshmallow 1% in a cereal recipe and found it having a very pleasurable mouth feel so you might want to check that out.
Also if you have FLV Cream, give cheebas Berry Creamy a shot. The flavor is suprisingly thick for only 5% total flavoring.
Although I think it's good to have like a baseline for your creams, I think every creamy recipe is going to want something a little bit different. Some you may want vanilla, others you want to be sweet, maybe you are looking for a tart twang, and maybe in one you just need a light touch of cream to round some things out. Marshmallows and Creams go very well together. For me, anything that I'm making with a creamy base, FLV Cream is a hands down winner for me, and then it just depends on if I'm going down the road of marshallow, yogurt, VBIC, custard, etc. as a creamy accent.
/u/HocusKrokus posted a recipe called pillow talk in the September recipe thread. I wasn't necessarily a huge fan of the flavor, but the mouth feel was amazing. I think I'm going to mix up a bottle of just the oba oba, holy vanilla, Vienna cream and cream fresh and see if I get the same results with the vapor thickness
That's really the thing, I've done exactly that before I added the pear and lime choices. Those are definitely aimed at my personal preferences, but nearly any fruit combination will work instead!
Honestly, I never really got what people were talking about with "mouthfeel". I understood what mouthfeel was, but I could never differentiate between vapes. It seemed like a lot of the time, the more power you used, the thicker and denser the vapor would be, and that was the "mouthfeel". But with pillow talk it finally clicked. I could literally feel the vapor coming off my tongue. It was a really cool experience, thanks for posting that recipe!
Glad you liked it! It definitely went through a few revisions before I landed at that combo, but there's certainly some ways to get that kind of density to a vape. Oba/Vienna are really both powerhouses in that department, and the holy/fresh are there to keep things bright at the same time so it doesn't feel super heavy, despite it's thick mouthfeel.
I like to use a touch of cheesecake in my creams.
What type? CAP NY Cheesecake? TFA Cheesecake Graham Crust?
if its a purely cream or custard recipe I'll use cap ny cheesecake but if it has any bakery element I will use tfa cheesecake graham crust.
You gotta give FLV sweet cream a go :-)
Also, I forget who it was- likely notcharlesmanson or skiddlz- but they said coconut and vanilla emulate creaminess. They alone can used to get a pretty desirable creamy texture, I'd recommend adding something like .25% INW shisha vanilla and .5% TFA coconut extra or whatever coconut of your choice and let me know what you think :-)
Edit: to clarify this doesn't add thickness and dense mouthfeel as described in the post, but can easily add a nice creamy texture if your final product is coming out too dense :-)
it's actually /u/abdada. and /u/gordonavapes opened a thread to talk about it. But yeah, been contemplating adding 0.2% TFA Coconut Extra. I'll do just that. thanks
and sadly, I have no access to FLV since I live outside America. otherwise, I would love, love, love to get my hands on that flue cured tobacco. :(
Heh, that's not surprising.. ab's a great mixer, I used to read his and the other previously mentioned users like church when I first started mixing. Some people here not only have a wealth of information, but are very kind and helpful as well. Good luck mate!
As with everything I do when it comes to DIY, I never settle for anything, I try new things every time. My creams mainly revolve around equal parts Bavarian Cream (FW or TFA) and French Vanilla (CAP or TFA), with one or two additional elements to taste. TFA Whipped Cream, FA Fresh Cream, CAP Sweet Cream, CAP Butter, FA Horchata, FA Coconut, etc.
Interestingly, I love VBIC (TFA or FW) and Vanilla Custard (CAP or FA) and other vanillas on their own, but I've never incorporated them in the cream base. French Vanilla seems to cover these bases well enough.
I usually mix this up around 5-10% with PG/VG and put it aside for a week before I start using it as a base, to which I just add other flavors and nic. I'm not saying it's a great way to do it, it's just how I do it :) As for secret flavoring, I'm a huge fan of vanillin. If I wasn't already using French Vanilla, I would add vanillin.
What does vanillin add that you feel french vanilla doesn't? In what instances would you use the latter over the former?
Vanillin is completely different from regular vanillas in my opinion, it is far less invasive and doesn't mute or meddle with other flavors at all. Around 1-1.5%, it brings a sweet and fresh vanilla note where other vanillas always seem much darker and murkier somehow. It's what I prefer to use with fruits and berries, whereas regular vanillas go better with bakeries and desserts. In my opinion. In "real life", adding some vanillin to whipped cream can really make it shine.
PS. Ugh, the downvote train is here. Hang in there. It's a good topic!
Chrisdvr1 has a good vanilla cream that I've adapted to my own needs.
4% DIYFS Holy Vanilla
1.25% FW Bavarian Cream
1.25% FA Cream Fresh
I've played around with subbing in OoO Cream, RF Condensed Milk, and FLV Cream for the fresh and bavarian in different percentages. TFA Malted Milk gets tossed in occasionally, too. (Small amounts) (also don't have fw bavarian, so I use tfa)
They all have their own pros and cons, but so far I like each iteration. The RF condensed milk changes drastically though. Goes from almost dulce to a sweet cream so I end up vaping that version quick due to the subtle caramel flavor.
*should've linked to the recipe Angel Cream
>Chrisdvr1 has a good vanilla cream that I've adapted to my own needs.
4% DIYFS Holy Vanilla
1.25% FW Bavarian Cream
1.25% FA Cream Fresh
I know what I'm trying when I get home today, been looking for a solid base like this to use with my 60ml bottle of DIYFS Holy Vanilla - thanks!
Sorry for the shitpost, don't really have anything to add but funny you post this topic. Just this morning I was thinking how awesome it would be to have TFA Vanilla Bean Ice Cream but without the vanilla. To me that would be a pretty spot on thick and full cream base.
I'm pretty sure TFA uses the same base components in their VBIC, Vanilla Custard, and Toasted Marshmallow. I would recommend checking out toasted marshmallow if you like the creamy aspect of VBIC but not the vanilla.
I've read here that Lorann Bavarian Cream is really thick/dense. Too bad I can't get Lorann from my local DIY shop. Also coconut can be add to creams to get thicker mouthfeel. Can we do milk next?
Yeah I have a great milk base.
TFA Vanilla Swirl 4%
FA Vienna Cream 1%
FA Meringue 1%
FW Hazelnut 1%
FA Fresh Cream 1%
I haven't seen other do this, but I've had plenty of luck mixing CAP VC anf FLV VC at about 1:1 ratio. There will obviously be plenty of vanilla, but no pepper, not too much egginess and a clean thick flavor and mouthfeel. Steering from 1:1, more CAP = more "yellow" flavor, more FLV = more "white" flavor.
What i see people now combine TPA vanilla custard and Cap Vanilla custard so by means if you put 2% in cap then tpa is same but need to bring down FA % since i feel its a bit high
My issue with the cream bases I've seen is it always had vanilla. It's an easy fix, but this is America and I feel I need to complain. I like vanilla... I don't want vanilla in every-fucking-thing. Please stop trying to jam your vanilla down my throat. (also no homo)
If you're looking for heavy cream, just get Flavor art fresh cream. It's pretty much just team without any of the vanilla
Yea I recently got some. It's pretty great for every thing I've tried it in so far. I am trying to make a salted caramel cream flavor, but so far haven't had much luck. Thanks.
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