Along the lines of more flavour in your juices, have you tried decreasing the % of flavouring in there? That may help, from what I've learned, an abundance of flavour only leads to muting.

As for testing, normally(depending on what the flavour is) I'll put it in around a 5-10% mix in vg and give that a vape to get the initial ideas.

Subsequently, I've also filled a shot glass half way and added a drop or two of the concentrate into it, tasting it that way, it's great for getting an impression on building characteristics too as you can add drops of each flavour layering it and then get an immediate first impression.

Hope that answered a few questions!

Although these sound like a lot of work, the finished product is always worth it, so why not treat it like a nice Macallan and give it the justice and babying it deserves

Edit: the gist of my comment was to maybe help you better understand the flavourings, like scotch, you already know the flavours in it(toffee, charred oak, pete) similarly, these new concentrates may be something you haven't been able to link with anything you've had before, understanding the single flavour will help you depict and balance the notes that come through as you vape

Suggestions:

1. Try a good flavor rda. Most here use rda's for flavor testing, and for good reason. You will get way more flavor and more ability to discern diferences.

2. Try single flavor testing in batches. Try a handful of blueberries concentrates, for example, and see what differences you can discern.

3. You didn't mention nic, but for flavor testing/learning, use zero nic. That is like adding coca cola to each scotch you try and trying to detect subtle notes in the scotch. You can do it, but it isn't the easy way.

There's more to getting good flavor from a tank/RDA than fancy coils that glow evenly. That's the first half of the battle but coil position in relation to air flow and wicking are critical in flavor as well. I'm not saying this is the cause and the vast majority of people on this sub are way better builders than I. I dont want to come off as the customer support, "is it plugged in? Do you have batteries in your remote?" guy, but I figured I'd throw it out there. I've been reading more and more people DIYing on ecr and even vaping101 that are novice vapers as well so who knows.

Edit: that and while I've read good things about the Griffin 25+, it's still a tank. I can't say anything personally, although I do have a Griffin 25 w/ top air flow. I got decent or "good" flavor from it, but it's nothing compared to a good RDA in terms of flavor. Even over my mage, which I got better flavor out of than I ever did the Griffin, I find myself tasting more things in juice since getting into RDAs.

I, too am interested in this topic, my palate is pretty dumb and don't pick up the little intricacies in mixes.

I didn't read all the comments so sorry if I'm repeating someone but try tasting each flavor in your favourite recipes separately. Either make single flavor mixes or do the shot glass method.

This is an interesting topic, here i've found this on a forum that seem to me quite relevant. It's for food that's the same palate you train :

>I think the answer for most people is: we don't. At least not in any structured, scientific manner.

>Personally, I eat very intentionally when I am trying to learn more about a dish and its ingredients. What I mean by that is I try to break down the dish into its component parts and really think about what flavors I am detecting.

>I've listed some guidelines below. Consider how you can incorporate these into your everyday life. While some kind of focused training regimen could work (it sounds like a fun experiment), these are things you can do every single day to improve your knowledge of flavor.

>* Eat lots of good food and be mindful of flavors as you eat. >* Taste often while cooking (including your raw ingredients) to learn about how flavors change, interact, and layer. >* Learn about classic flavor combinations from various cuisines around the world and try to decide what makes them work and how you can twist them. >* Slow down. >* Change things up and try new flavors often. You can't learn how an ingredient tastes if you don't eat it. >* Be fearless. People are often hobbled by preconceived notions. "Oh I don't like asparagus." Well that's all fine and good but why don't you like asparagus? For almost any person can find ways to appreciate almost any food given a positive attitude and some experimentation. >* Your palate is just as much about your nose as it is your mouth (perhaps more-so), so lots of smelling is in order.

Admittedly, I just skimmed over most of the lengthy replies so ignore me if my point has already been brought up.

I agree that sometimes, vaping someone else's finished recipe, it's hard to taste every individual flavor note. This may be to an unrefined palate or olifactory fatigue or what have you.

BUT, in my opinion, most of the naunces you notice in your recipe come through development and the notes you take while changing your recipe up. Working with the same profile for ,sometimes, up to a month and changing the ingredients and flavors around really gives you perspective. If you are trying to make a strawberry cheesecake and you are switching between combinations of the different strawberries and layers of strawberries and different cheesecakes, then you really need to be able to visualize what you want. (Honestly this is where knowing your flavors comes in) When you find one strawberry cheesecake base you like you start adding more stuff and it's easier for you to notice the new components since, in theory, you've been working on that cheesecake base for a few weeks and you know it's flavor and what it tastes like by itself.

In my opinion, the best way you are going to learn to recognize certain flavors or be able to describe how the recipe vapes (I get a strong earthy strawberry inhale, exhale is a cheesecake with a slight tang that's also sweet, and there's a bit of graham cracker after taste with a lingering strawberry.) is to dedicate yourself to developing a recipe and MOSTLY vaping only the juices you make over the course of a month or two.

If you do this you'll not only develop a more refined palate and be able to describe what you are vaping more accurately, you will also probably formulate 3-4 decent recipes within that profile. Have you ever wondered why mixers like u/ID10-T release a wave of recipes at a time? Usually all within the same general profile? If I had to guess, it would be because they want a specific taste to their profile and through the process of recipe development, have a few "oh damn that's good" moments but still not what they want.

So yeah try formulating your own recipe from scratch and stay dedicated to it.

I'd think part of why you can pick apart the aspects of a good scotch is because you can relate the different tastes to things you've tasted before. With vapor, it's different since it's mostly smells. Try tasting the individual ingredients of the recipes you enjoy to see how they are acting in those recipes.

This will increase your flavor perception, I guarantee it.

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