This might be a stupid question, but I'm wondering how people tackle their high VG or MAX VG versions of recipes for dripping? As in, you've locked down a recipe that you make at say 70/30 VG/PG for your normal RTA's and various subohm tanks, and you also make the same recipe at high\MAX VG for your RDA dripping at say 90/10 or 85/15 VG/PG for either you, or your buddy that's always asking for nothing but max VG juices.
When getting into DIY I learned that PG is the best or typical "flavor carrier" in the mixes were making... Also, most of us use PG based flavors. Obviously when making a MAX VG juice for dripping, you want as much VG as possible (that's the whole point of MAX VG), so no PG base is added, just the PG from the flavors that are needed recipe.
At first I assumed that you would need at add MORE flavor since the high amounts of VG wouldn't carry the flavor as much (hence the reading and knowledge of PG being the "flavor carrier" in our juices). But then I started seeing and reading other things here and there that contradicted that thought process. One being Gordona's juice recipes he was releasing. He posted his recipes in a base form and had notes stating for 70/30 mixes to use 18-22% flavor, and for high VG mixes to use 8-12% flavoring. I also around the same time read a few other posts on here and other places where people were eluding to the same type of results by using less flavor for their max VG mixes.
So I figured I would get some advice from people on here that like to make a normal (or tank style, 60/40 or 70/30'ish) mix and a high\max VG mix (80-90+ VG, no PG base added) of the same recipe and how they alter the percentage of the flavorings to best suit the mixes. After reading a few things and thinking about it, I can see the argument for adding less flavor for max VG juice since its main purpose will be for a dripper which you'll be taking massive hits off of compared to a tank, and drippers\RDA's are known for having better flavor tasting abilities than most tanks. Now, obviously if your recipe called for 30% flavor; you'd have to lower the flavor (assuming your flavor is PG based) just to make it a high\max VG juice.
I took a recipe that calls for 18% flavoring and made it at 70/30 (you know, the typical norm for just about all shop juice), then took all the flavor percentages and multiplied them by 0.75 to make a high VG version. So the flavoring of the high VG version I made was 25% less than the 70/30 version. The flavoring came out to 13.5%, so the high VG version was 87/13 (rounding down the .5% of course to 13 for the PG part since we all hate decimal points when listing VG/PG content of a juice)... Their both still steeping ATM.
I'm just trying to see what your guys thoughts, methods, and math adjustments are (or aren't) when making you recipes (or other people's recipes) from regular to max\high VG?
Personally I don't change %'s of flavoring, either you add pg or you don't. But I am probably the wrong person to respond to this, as i drip my 70/30 blends. It is arguable you get more flavor per hit, but it's still balanced as to what the recipe set out to achieve in profile.
I find that certain flavorings need to come up, but only during situations that go from 50/50 - MAX VG. Anything in between doesn't really seem to make a difference after a steep.
oh, off topic.... but just wondering when your gonna add some INW notes to the "flavor book"? Nothing for INW shows up yet when clicked on (yes, i'm a paid member), and i figured you would have at least done Shisha Strawberry yet (seeing how your a strawberry loves, as am I).
I have a few INW notes that need to go up. There are still many INW that need to be fully tested though. But I do have a few that I want to put up because I find them extremely useful. You should see them soon as I have a dump coming
Without going too much into our process we mostly build for max VG first. This comprises of coming up with the flavors and see how it holds there. Then we make for 50/50 VG/PG. Usually we see if the flavor blows out at this point. If it does we scale back on flavoring a until the flavors are no longer blown out or "too much" by our standards. We don't really have any major maths or anything. We look foods and wonder how can we make that and go from there. It's probably not the most economical way to do it, but it's our way.
TL;DR: we put our flavoring a in the bottle and then fill with VG. If we like we test for pg blowout.
interesting point. thanks for everyone's response. My original training\reading and general info picked up from vaping and I stated in my OP was that VG definitely will mute flavor in a max VG mix... i just got a mix confused with some mixed info i've read and seen lately.
Like Gordana Vapes, who owned a decently successful juice line and decided to stop the line and post all his recipes. I was confused at his notes at the bottom of the recipe and video.
he stated: "In my experience this flavor is ideal in a tank at 15%-24% of the final mixture. Higher wattage dripping allows you to bring the flavoring down in this sort of setup I enjoy it at around 8%-12% of the final mixture. Tastes vary though so play around with it and find what works for you!"
I guess i took that as meaning the lower percentage was to make a high VG juice in when he stated "Higher wattage dripping allows you to bring the flavoring down in this sort of setup I enjoy it at around 8%-12% of the final mixture".... i guess he meant keep the main juices VG/PG the same as the higher percentage levels for lower wattage vaping of the juice, and to just add less flavor if your gonna be vaping at super high dripping wattage (not necessarily bump your VG base in the mix).
I don't think you usually need to do anything. Maybe if you go high PG like over 50%, but otherwise you shouldn't have to do anything.
Like the others, I always start a new recipe at 20/80 PG/VG. Once I've got it figured out, if it's a flavor suited for a tank, I only change to 30/70 and then adjust the flavoring if needed. What I mean by "flavor suited for a tank" is that there are some that for me are more trouble than they're worth. For example, chocolate. One my current recipes has a little cocoa in it, and it's a cotton killer. Like half a day. I'm not dealing with that in a tank. And most of my friends don't rebuild. They wouldn't appreciate having to dump a $2-3 coil every day, lol.
I do 80vg/20pg when I drip and usually in a tank too. If I have to increase percentages passed 20% (which never happens), I just use a stronger flavor from a different company. (if that makes sense) I like to use as little flavoring as possible, regardless of the VG/PG ratio or the RDA involved.