Long time lurker, first time poster, I hope this does not fall under the low effort help request rule, but I just wanted some expert advice from people who are more familiar with these particular flavorings.
The setup, I have been mixing for a couple of months now, and most of my successes with recipes I have created myself have been either fruit or tea based. Most of my dessert or bakery experiments have ranged from hot garbage to licorice+ethyl alcohol flavor. The consensus seems to be the best recipes are to be found on alltheflavors, but I haven't found anything there that looks much like what I want to make, so thus this help request. My real world creation I am trying to mimic is a milkshake that is 50% cake batter flavor, 50% strawberry ice cream.
I don't want to waste a lot of flavoring and weeks of steeping just trying to get into the ballpark, so if the flavor sages could take a look at what I am proposing and let me know if these percentages look reasonable I would really appreciate it.
Without further ado, the plan:
- 1% Sweet Cream CAP
- 6% Vanilla Bean Ice Cream CAP
- 4% Cake Batter CAP
- 2.5% Sweet Strawberry CAP
This is my first order from Capella, everything else I have so far has been from the liquid barn and TFA, thus part of my additional uncertainty in what percentages will work.
I don't have anything to give back to this sub other than my appreciation for all the great advice and recipes I have gotten from here so far.
And one day when I perfect my Arnold Palmer recipe, I promise to share it here.
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Wow, thanks for all the suggestions so far, and I wanted to just bulk respond to a few of the comments about not having mixed this first and DIY-ing not being a good fit for someone risk averse to wasting time or money.
I........ agree wholeheartedly with that assessment. While many of my experiments so far have had to be killed with fire when they became sentient, I would not trade the experience for anything. It has been a lot of fun, and discovering this sub from the e-cig was my impetus to do it. FWIW, I started with the liquid barn starter kit with the plastic volume measuring equipment, and now months later, my desk is overtaken with a digital scale, large bulk bottles of VG and PG, boxes of flavors, pipettes, glass dropper bottles, etc. I have no problem dropping money on stuff to experiment, I was really just looking for some pro-tips. I expect I might go through this entire shipment of flavors and still not maybe even get close to what I am trying to create, and that is OK by me.
Just as added aside, my first homebrew recipe included 15% TFA butterscotch and 12% TFA sweetner. I spilled some of it on my keyboard when I was mixing it and the odor of my first failure haunts me to this day. Oh, and in case anyone has any doubt, it was completely un-vapable. I could still taste butterscotch days later.
I don't think this would necessarily get taken down since it is technically recipe assistance.
But with that being said, you really should attempt to mix the recipe yourself and have some notes on what does and doesn't work for you before you ask for help here.
For one, it helps you learn by fucking up rather than just having someone come in and tell you what will and will not work. We all started off making mediocre at best recipes. But when someone jumps in and tells you exactly what will work for this particular recipe, it doesn't provide you with the knowledge of what works and why for your future recipes.
So just mix it. One thing I will tell you is that if you aren't willing to waste flavours and wait for recipes to steep, then you aren't going to have a good time with DIY. Because fucking up is just part of the process.
Good luck.
I agree, and I knew it was close to the edge of rules when I posted the question. I don't mind failures, I was just looking for a pro-tip or two if I was even in the right ballpark. But point taken.
i agree with cokeCan.if you are not willing to fuck up and to waste some flavourings you won't learn. That being said i can just tell you that CAP cake batter has a bad reputation.nobody likes it.I haven't used it myself because of that.FW version is good though.It has a greasy texture which imitates a real cake batter pretty well imo. Another thing i can tell you is that you probably won't get enough strawberry flavour at this percentage.is has to stand up against all those other fairly heavy ingredients and because it's a "light" flavour you have to use more. good luck and don't hesitate to ask again AFTER mixing up your first batches.
- 4% VBIC TFA or CAP, haven't tried caps though.
- 4% Cupcake Batter FLV.
- 1-2% Sweet Strawberry JF.
- Optional .5% Fresh Cream FA.
Play with percentages slowly and as needed.
Flavorah was the place I was going to do some shopping at next, I think I'll go ahead and place an order now and get the cake batter on the way. I'll do 10mls with both since I have the CAP anyways. Thanks for the suggestion.
If you don't mix up the recipe yourself, how do you know if it works or not? We can't really give you advise until you do.
Hey, are you the thedirtyprojector of the strawberry milk fame?
Lol, I wouldn't romantise it to that effect. It's only a recipe. But thank you for the vote of confidence, I hope I can live up to it with my next recipe.
This flavour profile has piqued my interested so I did a bit of speculative mixing:
TFA Strawberry Ripe 3%
INW Strawberry Shisha 2%
CAP Cake Batter 2%
CAP Vanilla Bean Ice Cream 4%
TFA Vanilla Swirl 1%
TFA Malted Milk 0.5%
FA Fresh Cream 0.5%
FA Meringue 0.5%
TFA Strawberry/INW Shisha is my new favourite combo. It's a strawberry that isn't too realistic but not too artificial either, sort of like a strawberry sauce kind of deal.
CAP Cake Batter is used at 2% because using it any higher will require a longer steep time and it also gives a rather off-putting taste.
CAP Vanilla Bean Ice Cream/TFA Malted Milk/TFA Vanilla Swirl/FA Fresh Cream/FA Meringue is your milkshake base. You could probably go a lot of ways with this but I tried to keep it simple. To add more maltiness (which is prevalent in a milkshake), you could also go with TFA Cheesecake Graham Crust at 0.5 - 1%.
From the recipe alone, I can already tell that it has a lot of promise. But the problem with CAP Cake Batter means you will have to steep it longer than usual. Give it a week or two and come back to it. Make tweaks accordingly until it suits your palette.
Thanks a lot of the advice, I see I have a few more things to order from TFA soon. Your strawberry milk recipe was one of my starting points, and definitely on my list of things to try. I myself drank way too much strawberry Quik when I was a kid, if anyone remembers it, it was powdered stuff with a rabbit on the tin that you mixed into milk.
i can tell you cake batter at 4% will have a very artificial taste
You state that your original recipe is 50/50 batter and strawberry. Do you want to keep those flavors balanced in this mix? If thats the case, i think i would up the sweet strawberry. I like the highly recommended CAP sweet strawberry and TFA strawberry (ripe) combo. I mix at a 2:1 CAP/TFA mix personally. I find it a more full and accurate sweet strawberry mix.
Either way, i would definitely up the strawberry if you want it as a front note.
Edit: swapped those strawberry ratios around.
Pick up Jungle Flavors Sweet Strawberry. Call it a day.
ECX sent me samplers of Jungles new flavors , seems more expensive than they should be though.
I have no experience with cake batter but I feel that the vbic will overwhelm the recipie at that %. I would think dropping it down to 3-4% would give you what you are looking for. Also I'm thinking the sweet strawberry won't give as much flavor as you want. Maybe try adding 2-3% TFA strawberry ripe to the mix to help round out the strawberry flavor
By the By, what's the consensus on the best cake flavoring? I don't care if it's batter or cake, I just want something accurate.
FLV cupcake batter is great.
Wait for ECX to release JF Yellow Cake & pick that up.
I got an email from them that they have sent me a package. I hope it's YC:)
It's Bavarian cream, biscuit, pink burst, Ry4D, fuji, & VG erythritol solution. I got them in yesterday. YC isn't ready yet.
I bought honey peach, biscuit, cookie, Bavarian cream, & the 2.49 30ml of erythritol last week, lol. Doublers, tho!
Sweet. Is it super batter-y or is it more cakey? I'm looking to clone something along the lines of The Cupcake Man soon, which I love the flavor of, it just contains far too much sweetener.
It's a strawberry cupcake with icing type flavor, in case you're unfamiliar with it.
Never had it, but that literally just sounds like CAP Vanilla Cupcake V1 & Cap sweet strawberry, which wouldn't surprise me at all. I'd make it with JF Sweet Strawberry, so much better. Might also be TFA Vanilla cupcake tho, idk. Caps was pretty good though, I even made a twinkie recipe out of it alost a couple years back. Hope this helps you.
To answer your question though, it tastes/feels like it's namesake - it's a batter.
>The consensus seems to be the best recipes are to be found on alltheflavors -Unsayablejazer
That information usually comes from the people who either benefit from you paying for the site, or have paid for the site, and trying to justify their purchase. It is a newer site, so it might be less cluttered, but you can find plenty of fantastic recipes on ELR, ECF, vapingunderground, right here on reddit, or any quick google search.
Now for some helpful advice: Get Cake Batter Dip by Flavorwest, if you are into cake and cake batter. You won't regret it.
Where are these fantastic recipes you speak of on ELR? I've found nothing but rubbish on that site. Granted I havnt even bothered to browse that circle jerk in close to 2 years, but back then it was shit.
Seems like a low jab at ATF. I think its quite nice that it hasnt turned into an ELR (thats coming from a non-paying person like myself).