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Dirty Chai, because trancepants asked nicely
submitted about 9 years ago by HocusKrokusFrugivore

I started the search for Dirty Chai, before I even started vaping. Back in early 2009, during my final deployment in the army, I landed in a place called Tallil, Iraq. I had been on previous deployments, but saw very little of anything outside of Baghdad. Tallil was like the Wild West by comparison. One of our earliest missions after we arrived was getting tasked out on security details for Public Affairs, where we ran short humanitarian missions for local villages. While I was standing out about 100m or so from where they were working, one of the men from the village approached me with a steaming tea pot looking device. He sat next to me, and poured two cups of tea without speaking. The tea, as it was later explained, was basically a farmer's version of Chai tea. It was filthy dark, and smelled faintly of tobacco, coffee and tea all mixed together with a little vinegar. No cream for miles in any direction. When I first smelled it I thought I would probably die after I drank it, but I tried it for the sake of entertaining hospitality. I had never been so incredibly blown away by a single flavor in my life, and still haven't been. The spices were much more faint in the flavor than they were in the scent. It was bold, deep flavored. Sweet, but not sickly sweet. The were trace bits of bitter coffee, tobacco like notes, a very light vanilla and a really deep earthy black tea. It was thick feeling, though not creamy. I later learned that this was mostly due to the way the brew their tea in a waterbath type device, instead of directly on a burner or fire. We visited briefly, not really talking, but enjoying that tea while we sat out in brutal heat looking into a vast wide desert. It was probably the most human moment of my entire 10 year career, and that flavor stuck with me every since.

What we think of as Chai tea in the US is horrendously over spiced, and generally served with far too much cream. Since I started mixing around 2 years ago I've chased chai off and on repeatedly, but it often ended in frustration so I would leave it be, only to come back to it awhile later. A few weeks ago, /u/CheebaSteeba sent me some 5ml samples of some FLV flavors that I was dying to try, but didn't have the budget for. As soon as I opened the Thai Chai, I knew I'd found a missing part of the puzzle. It's still a little incomplete, but I am fully aware that this White Whale will likely never be caught.

Enough story time, on to the recipe and notes. Previous versions included Black teas, green teas, a variety of spice combinations, and probably 10 different tobacco/shisha variants. The final version, Dirty Chai is

Dirty Chai  

Ingredient|% :---|---: Booster (Tiramisu) (FA)|0.1 Chai Tea (TPA)|0.15 RY4 (Hangsen)|3.5 Thai Chai (Flavorah)|1.5 Vanilla Swirl (TPA)|1.5

Flavor total: 6.75%

Remember to rate it at e-liquid-recipes.com!

Notes in order of precedence:

FLV Thai Chai: At first I tested this standalone at 2%. It's really weird, off the vape. But it had the qualities I was missing from other Black tea concentrates. It's thick. Like a super concentrated tea. It has some floral qualities, like you would get in a traditional black tea, but they're more earthy. It's very sweet, and I get hints of mint, cardamom, and a very light back note of citrus. At 1.5% I can keep all those notes, while letting the rest of the recipe settle in on top of this base. It's glorious, and I will be ordering much much more of this.

Hangsen RY4: I chose this RY4 for it's smooth, low key flavors. The tobacco is incredibly mild, and the vanilla/caramel tones are very non invasive. At 3.5% it's just barely present alongside the Thai Chai. If you wanted it to be more prevalent it could probably go as high as 5% without totally mucking up your mix, but I really think the magic spot for this is where I left it.

FA Tiramisu: The tiny coffee hint. This is the only coffee flavor I use with any consistency. I only wanted the tiniest note of coffee to drift in and out of this mix, and this stuff is ultra potent. My first trial was at .25% and it totally ran right over everything. I dialed it back to .1% and got exactly what I was after. It's there, but only just so.

TFA Chai Tea: The Thai Chai was incredible on it's own, but just lacking a tiny touch of the spice I wanted to finish this up. Anyone who has worked with this stuff knows the spice profile in this is stupidly pushy. I first tried it at .5% and it was just way too strong and harsh. It would have needed creams to smooth it out, but since I wanted to keep the cream to a minimum, I settled here at .15%. Just a dash of extra nutmeg/cardamom to really make it pop.

TFA Vanilla Swirl: With the tea base finally where I wanted it, I was getting some off notes feeling kind of dry. I needed more wetness, and cactus just wasn't going to be the answer in this case. I tried DIYFS Holy Vanilla, but frankly it was kind of too good at being an amazing strong vanilla. I needed something that would take a back seat and smooth out the dry bits and add a little body. At 1.5% you can't even really taste it. It makes the whole thing sort of come together into a wonderful, smooth, warm cup of chai.

A few notes of value, I steeped the versions previous to this around two weeks, but this version really starts to come together in just a few days. 3, or maybe 4 days. In truth though, it's pretty decent fresh. I vape generally on a build that's sort of medium heat/power. Dual 28g twisted coils at .5 ohm on a velocity with the airflow fairly closed at around 35-40w. I use a derringer at 1ohm and a Royal Hunter with a big fat single clapton for testing as well, but I test the most on my daily driver.

I'll answer any questions folks might have about subs in the comments section.

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7 points
 
by Apexifiedabout 9 years agoDiketones, Schmiketones

Cue the people asking what they can sub for Hangsen RY4

3 points
 
by HocusKrokusabout 9 years agoFrugivore

TFA RY4 kinda works, but it's just not as good. Probably 2.5%

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by MMxyzptlkkabout 9 years ago

Ceylon Tea (around 3 heaped teaspoons per person), Cardamom, Cloves and Cinnamon. Boiled with indirect heat to a concentrate and diluted when served. Add about as much sugar so you can stand up your spoon inside. This is what i know as tea from Iraq

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by HocusKrokusabout 9 years agoFrugivore

So tea in Iraq, and really anywhere in that region, is sort of interesting. There are some common themes, but tea recipes can often be closely guarded family or tribal secrets. Many use herbs that only grow in a particular area, and there are often vast differences in the flavors.

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by skiddlzninjaabout 9 years agoThat one moderator. You know, the honey guy.

I may be able to weasle a recipe out of a few Levant natives that I work with. I'll get back to you if I can figure anything out. Was this a Bedouin city, by chance?

Edit: nvm, too far from Jordan to be Bedouin.

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by HocusKrokusabout 9 years agoFrugivore

It was, though a city is a far too large of a description. It was more like a small collection of huts and mostly tents made with fabric scraps. We installed water purifiers for them. Probably the most gracious people on earth.

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by skiddlzninjaabout 9 years agoThat one moderator. You know, the honey guy.

Do you by chance remember what the locals referred to the beverage as?

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by HocusKrokusabout 9 years agoFrugivore

I couldn't really understand the guy, to be honest. Pulling security, I hardly ever had a chance to interact at any meaningful level. Edit: Bedouins settled all over the middle east, tribal groups ended up all over the middle east. Most integrated some in the cultures all over the Arab countries in the 1950s and 1960s.

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by CheebaSteebaabout 9 years agoFrugivore

Awesome dude, thanks for posting this up with some really good notes! I'm actually vaping on my Thai Tea right now haha. This looks really good though, I'll have to pick up that RY4 and Chai Tea so I can check this out.

2 points
 
by HocusKrokusabout 9 years agoFrugivore

Thanks man! Let me know how you like it! If I hadn't got the itch again when you sent that Thai Chai my way, I probably wouldn't have come back to this in a good long while. So really, thank you!

3 points
 
by kirktabout 9 years agoBring on the Diacetyl, baby

Salivating just reading this. I've been trying to get FLV Thai Chai into a good vape but no real success, so I will definitely try this. I've not been a fan of tobacco vapes the past few years but found one last week that blew me away so I'm now willing to try them again. Do you think there was actual tobacco in the brew?

2 points
 
by HocusKrokusabout 9 years agoFrugivore

While it's possible, I think it's much more likely that what I was tasting was some other herb or plant that's local to the area. The middle east has a great deal of edible herbs/plants that are unique to small areas.

1 points
 
by WickAndWireabout 9 years agoMixologist

Mind sharing that tobacco you tried? I'm kind of in the same boat, only with apple-bacco by Panda vapes that was posted a couple weeks ago.

2 points
 
by kirktabout 9 years agoBring on the Diacetyl, baby

I was afraid someone would ask that... sorry, but it's a commercial juice I was given, and I don't have the recipe. Heavy peach with a hint of ginger, floated over a very mild tobacco base. It's delicious. If I work out a clone I will post it here.

3 points
 
by Proreaderabout 9 years ago

Thank you so much for this recipe. Now on hand, I didn't have many of the ingredients. But you reinspired me to tackle a dirty chai recipe from a different angle. Previously, I had way overdone the coffee notes. I also hadn't even considered how a tobacco might affect it.
Here's what I built based on what I have.
Dirty Chai

Ingredient|% :---|---: Cardamom (FA)|0.1 Chai Tea (TPA)|0.5 Dark Vapure (FA)|0.1 French Vanilla (TPA)|1 Tiramisu (TPA)|0.05

Flavor total: 1.75%

(http://e-liquid-recipes.com/recipe/816610/Dirty+Chai)

Now, I've literally just made this flavor and tried it right away. Surprisingly tasty. None of the flavors are too sharp or chemically, and it seems to cover all the bases. I'm going to let it steep for a week or two and then we'll see how it is, but as a shake and vape, it turned out surprisingly well. Also, the flavor really is outstanding considering the overall percentage.

1 points
 
by HocusKrokusabout 9 years agoFrugivore

I don't have the TFA French Vanilla or FA Vapure, but this looks pretty cool man. Nice work.

1 points
 
by HocusKrokusabout 9 years agoFrugivore

How did this end up for you?

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by Proreaderabout 9 years ago

It actually worked out really well. I've been enjoying it, and I've gotten a few compliments from friends on it. I'm probably gonna fuck with the recipe a bit yet though. Even with such a small amount of tiramisu, the coffee flavor is still very strong. I'm thinking of increasing the chai a bit, or maybe buying some black tea and adding that.

2 points
 
by HocusKrokusabout 9 years agoFrugivore

Get FA if you go black tea. TFA tastes like dirt.

2 points
 
by HocusKrokusabout 9 years agoFrugivore

/u/tranceinate

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by tranceinateabout 9 years agoIn a good mood for now - don't piss me off.

Thanks you =] I was really intrigued when I saw the recipe in the monthly thread. Great story, great notes! I'll be getting the ry4 & chai tea for this eventually. Oh, & tiramisu. I gave my unused bottle away a year ago.

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by HocusKrokusabout 9 years agoFrugivore

It's only the second recipe I've used Tiramisu in successfully, despite numerous attempts. It's okay, but needs heavy creams or other strong flavors, or else it just takes over everything.

1 points
 
by tranceinateabout 9 years agoIn a good mood for now - don't piss me off.

So I've heard, lol. I always meant to play around with it before I gave it away. Think FLV Coffee at .05% would work in its place?

2 points
 
by thedirtyprojectorabout 9 years agoMixologist

Surprised you can taste FA Tiramisu at that percentage. My go to percentage is always 0.5 increments.

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by HocusKrokusabout 9 years agoFrugivore

Strange, it's almost unbearably strong to me at .5% unless I want it as a main note.

2 points
 
by Dmast8884about 9 years ago

In any of your attempts at regular chai tea have you tried INW Shisha chai? It's really good kinda on the weaker side for INW surprisingly. I usually use it around 3-3.5 it definitely needs some accent flavors like tfa chai also but it's very good.

1 points
 
by HocusKrokusabout 9 years agoFrugivore

I was unaware that was even a thing. RIP beer money.

2 points
 
by MoNoSwordabout 9 years ago

I saved this post so I can add it to my recipes when I get home. This sounds great.

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