Setup: Plume Veil RDA; dual parallel @ .40Ω; cotton wicks; 50W
Testing: FA Joy @ 2%; Aged: 19 days
Flavor description: Doughy, yeasty, bready, kind of oily, with notes of sugar and cinnamon. Very thick mouth feel. Reminds me a lot of the freshly fried sugared donuts you get at a carnival or fair or maybe a funnel cake.
Off-flavors: I've had reports of stale beer at higher percentages.
Throat hit: 5/10
Uses: Provides a deep fried sugary sensation by adding 0.5-1% to a recipe. 2% gets a bit doughy, and at 3% and over it might get weird on you. I use it in my Grape Ice Cream Cone recipe at 2% without it being too much. Certain flavorings such as INW Biscuit seem to really amplify the doughiness. Could also work as a sweetener or substitute for EM under 0.5%
Pairings: Bakery type flavorings such as biscuit, cake, cookie, or donut type flavors. Plays well with creams and chocolates also. I can also see this working with apple, peach, or pear flavorings in a pie/cobbler type recipe.
Notes: I would say for the most part that is typically going to be a supporting flavor at lower percentages. It is definitely very unique with what it adds to a recipe. It isn't bad by itself at 2% IMO, yet doesn't really carry enough of a punch to be a standalone. This flavor is a great example of how a flavor can really change when you use too much. Start low and adjust to your liking! I'm going to page /u/enyawreklaw so he can maybe add something in here, as he uses it in a couple of his extremely popular recipes.
Nice review, dawwwwwg. I need to mix your recipe up. It sounds super interesting.
As a side note, I don't remember who said this, but someone said "it tastes like the holes in bread".
As for the recipe, I highly recommend it. I feel it to be a bit of a shame that only a dozen or so people have tried it because it truly is a little gem.
And as for the bread holes, I can only imagine them tasting like air, but to each their own. ;)
Joy is probably the most niche flavoring there is. By itself it's pretty much unexplainable. When Bronuts came out, so many people asked me what Joy tastes like and my response was "Unicorn Queefs". It's this musky, yeasty, slightly sweet flavor. Others too have said funnel cake, and I think it's misleading. So you can't rely on it to give any "flavor". It's more an enhancer? I've used it to help bridge the gap between a waxy sugary element, specifically Icing, and a bakery element. Hence Bronuts and Funfetti. And in those situations it fits pretty damn well. That's all I could work it in to, granted, I pretty much stopped using it after so many people complained of beer taste or sweat taste. But I've tried, and I've never really been able to make it fit like I did with those recipes. If you're thinking about buying it, just don't. It'll just sit on your shelf, and there are better flavorings that do the same thing kinda. You'll know when you'll need to buy it. It's really specific.
I bought it, and it just sits on my shelf. I've mixed up Bronuts and Funfetti, but they're steeping now. I'll see if I think it works in those. IMHO, Joy and Nonna Cake are 2 of FA's biggest failures. I love some of their flavors, but far from all of them. It's nice to know a well respected mixer like Wayne feels the same way I do. As a matter of fact, because I like your mixes, I figured I'd try those recipes despite the offensive flavors. Despite the outcome, thanks Wayne for all your input and diligence. Extremely helpful.
Funfetti has been the only time I can't even taste the joy. Bronuts it adds doughyness similar to a funnel cake, but ever recipe I try with joy either tastes like stale beer or like absolutely nothing. It just seems like a really difficult flavoring to get down and know when it should be added to a recipe.
Using Joy at around 3% in a tobacco mix will provide a deep, heavy yeasty flavour that works incredibly well in a bakery-style RY4, or even to boost a basic tobacco like INW Absolute (Garuda) or even INW RY-4.
Thank you for another fantastic review, Whiskey!
I'm on the verge of diving into the tobacco flavor realm of DIY. I can see this pairing well with tobacco concentrates.
I hope you enjoy it matey, it's a whole new world of steeping haha.
I just mixed up your Grape Ice Cream Cone recipe on Sunday. Can't wait to try it.
Thanks for another great flavor review!
Any comments on that would be awesome. As stated above, I feel it is a bit of a shame that only a dozen or so people have tried it, and the feedback I've received has been phenomenally positive. Enough demand to warrant mixing a 240mL batch that may end up being spoken for before it has fully steeped.
Interesting to note that Flavour Art actually named it "Joy Tobacco" in 2015. It was never intended to be a dessert flavor. Their product code is FA1039 and their SDS sheet still calls it "Joy Tobacco".
I bought it due to a recipe by HIC , 3% FA Strawberry and the same amount of Joy . Tastes great , impossible to explain.
Great review. I personally have grown to like Joy lately, which I owe to Wayne's Funfetti recipe. At first I thought it was too overpowering and for some reason really acquired a taste for it. I actually bump the Joy up by a half a percent in Funfetti and add FA-Meringue as well. For some reason these two flavors combined really creates a nice sweet flavor reminiscent of frosting on top of a Funfetti cake. Again great review.
Everybody is trying to figure out what is the flavor profile of JOY, i've heard all types of descriptions, dough, beer, funnel cake, donut as an enhancer etc, etc, this is from the e-motions flavor line and like the Artis't Touch Flavor line its not supposed to be a flavor but a concentrated mix, and as a finish mixed its hard to pair it with other flavors.