This flavor came in a sample pack sent by FLV and will be released soon!
Specs:
- percentage used: 5%
- PG/VG ratio: 40/60
- vaped on Derringer RDA, 1.27 ohm coil, 12-18 watts
Flavor Properties:
- dark
- dry
- earthy (dry earthy in the best possible way)
- not spicy or sweet
Relatable Flavors:
- cocoa
- woody, NOT like cedar, possibly oak?
- earthy nut.. walnut, faint hazelnut
- maybe some leather (this I smell only faintly and I don't actually taste it when vaping, it's a pleasant aroma)
- there is one note I don't know how to describe just yet but it's very familiar, guess that's the Burley?
Mouth Feel:
- thick
- smooth
- medium to heavy density
Off Flavors:
- none
- no chemical taste (hooray!)
Position In A Recipe:
- would sit nicely in the background as part of a base to round out a tobacco recipe profile
Pairings:
- other tobaccos (TFA Western and DNB make a great mix with Red Burley!)
- nuts
- caramel
- coffee/espresso
- cream
Conclusion:
- keeper!
- will mix great with other tobaccos
- very authentic taste that could be used in an analog cig recipe or true pipe tobaco depending on the other flavors it's mixed with
- could be used in an ADV recipe
- tobacco fans should definitely give this a try
Suggested Percentage:
- 3% for use as a base
Suggested Recipe:
http://e-liquid-recipes.com/recipe/750110/Western%252C+Burley%252C+DNB+V2
Interesting Fact:
- according to pipedia, "The actual strain of tobacco can vary, although tobacco that isn't native to the soils of Louisiana doesn't yield a good product. Supposedly the most common strain used with Perique is something called "red burley". [source: https://pipedia.org/wiki/Pipe_Tobaccos]
I'll leave you with this:
"My cares, all my troubles
Are blown away like bubbles
My contentment doubles
With every puff I take
Of this lovely burley-flake."
I'm glad to here it could work as an all day vape tobacco base - a lot of these seem to work best as backup. This is one from the new line right?
Ya, from the new line! Should be available soon for purchase. In my humble opinion, they really hit the nail on the head with this one.
Thats what I'm hearing and its about time!
look at this laundry list of publicly available knowledge , yet it seems like so often (read as : up until now) these companies would just toss 2 or 3 of these together haphazardly
Wow that link is a total gem! Bookmarked for Sunday reading.
And ya, I've been vaping for 3 years and have been interested in strictly tobacco flavors. Can't count the number of B&M tobacco juices I've tried and NONE of them hit the mark. Was a huge part of why I decided to get into DIY. I'm lucky enough to have found this sub and have read tons of in depth reviews on tobacco flavors so I've been hand picking only the most highly regarded ones. I trust reviews from you, bobbysavage, kinnikinnick and a short list of a few other mixers. So far INW has been the leader. Needless to say, I'm more than excited to discover that FLV is stepping up to the plate and making a strong effort to make some shit that's actually good to work with.
I hear there's more tobaccos coming from FLV too. Can't wait to get my hands on some!
I've not yet had a chance to purchase direct from FLV -- just a few here and there through BCV/ECX. Cured Tobacco was good on initial mixing, but steeped didn't deliver much after the initial mix and, in fact, kinda faded/bittered. I still need to play with it in varying %s to get a better feel for it.
I'm about a week deep on the AM4A@2% and it's creeping towards one of my favorite single flavors. I just received some new 15/30ml rounds because I'm pretty overstocked on flavors I haven't tried yet, so there'll be more mixing in my near future. One of these days, I might actually get to dumping some notes...
I hadn't tried much from FLV before this. Definitely a good first impression :)
Am4a is great. It doesn't ring bells for me as any kind of true analogue but I've been vaping it daily since I got it a few weeks ago. Really fucking delicious.
If you want a great recipe try this. It really brings out the caramel and hazelnut notes that are already in Am4a. Check out my recipe notes on ELR for a more in depth look at what to expect.
when you say it "bittered" was it like an acrid chemical taste?
on AM4A where are you at with pg/vg , 70/30?
AM4A: 70V/30P, 2%, ~6 day steep...
RE: CT, my velocity's RY4 dirty at the moment, but from memory, the flavor seemed less punchy/bright after about 2-3 weeks (unlike the actual leafy/leathery/raisiny @2% 15ml 50/50, post-shake). I know, I shouldn't expect it to be, but the bittering I'm referring to seemed analagous to tasting a lemon and then eating the zest of the rind... post-shake flavor was remarkable, after a few weeks, it wasn't much like I remembered from the first 3ml; Acrid is a little harsh for a descriptor in this case, but definitely didn't round out like I'd hoped it would... It's not a bad thing entirely, just not sure where I'd use it yet. I still have about 8ml from the batch from February that I haven't touched since the last time I tasted it -- I go long on some flavors with the steep and I'm stuck on RY4s at the moment... It's been a month or two since I last touched it so I'll try it again and post back once I've rewicked.
> leafy/leathery/raisiny @2% 15ml 50/50, post-shake
Wow this is a flavor I've been searching high and low for! Do you know other tobacco flavors with this profile? I need it bad, real bad. Will buy the FLV version for testing but since you say it doesn't steep well I'm open to other suggestions.
/u/Baphomet if you have leafy/leathery/raisiny suggestions please hook me up!
Alright, so Cured Tobacco 2%, 50/50 VG/PG, 6mg, 4 month steep:
The initial punch of flavor with the first tasting (4 months ago), because it's not like a lot of other tobacco flavors in it's attempt to be an authentic leafy tobacco, might be an overstatement of my initial impression. Out of the bottle it's leafy, lightly nutty with hints of leather and wood (may be just a touch of pine or pine nut that I'm tasting, I don't know). Great, post-shake, but it really doesn't hold up over time; As it homogenizes, it starts to take on that chemical-like, bitter characteristic that never goes away. Cured Tobacco has a chemical smell to it in the original bottle. That same odor, is the same weirdness that I taste, I think... the piney, almost minty, flavor I think I detect in the follow-through from the concentrate seems to overtake the other, more palatable flavors detected early-on. Acrid isn't a term I would use, but if I were to use it, it would be on the very low end of that spectrum...
I go back and forth with flavors; Various iterations of Rocketpuppy are my standby. They steep well and hold up over time. I'm happy to have tried AM4A, as well as Tobacco Express RY4 -- both representative of amazing standalone flavors that I'll return to again and again because of their complexity and mixing simplicity.
Cured Tobacco is good, but not a favorite as a standalone; It'll require blending for me to come back to, thus, requires further experimentation. Since I've only tried it at one percentage, I don't intend on not using it, I'm just not very inspired to play with it because of the short window of opportunity to experiment with it with the flavor during it's peak tastiness. It has it's place in a mix, somewhere, I'm sure -- I just have no idea where, yet.
Overall, I'd say don't expect much if using it in a mix that requires steeping unless you understand what it'll bring to the table post-steep. It's not unpleasant, just not something I'm gonna reach for unless I want a quick, tasty single-flavor tobacco that I'm gonna pound for a few days straight; With my current preferences, it's not likely that'll happen anytime soon, but I'm happy to have it join the ranks in my arsenal. I'm sure I'll find a use for it...
Edit: After dripping some RPRY4 on this (remember, I haven't smoked in close to a year and a half), it occurred to me that the mint/pine that I'm getting from it is analagous to a cheap RYO with stems, that shitty leftover shag, that I used to buy after dropping the $45 price tag on Drum tins. So, yeah, pretty authentic flavor -- Though, that mint/pine was/is a flavor I REALLY hated. LOL
Edit2: I should note that a few weeks ago, I was mixing an RPRY4 and mixed up percentages in my base -- I was doubling the original recipe, but didn't intend on using 100% PG, which was my bad. After I filled my tank with it, noting it looked loose/less viscous (I chalked it up to heat), I got caramel mint. I figured I was drunk or accidentally mixed the old lady's juice into mine. Next day, did it again. Yep. Weirdest thing I've experienced to date. Mint from RPRY4 in 100% PG. Once diluted and corrected for the offset in PG, it was back to 'old faithful' status. I imagine possibly mixing the cured tobacco at a lower % (but really, how much lower can I go, honestly, without losing flavor?) and not getting that mint flavor... I guess, I'll try it at some point and see.
I somehow missed this post. What I'm getting here is
a) you are a fucking buddhist monk, this I know for sure cuz who else would have the patience to steep juice for 4 months.. After 12 days of steeping I start talking to the juice and warning it of it's impeding demise.
b) Sounds like I would really like Cured Tobacco for reasons pertaining to ^ a. Will give me a go to shake and vape tobacco for when I'm still in talking phases with my steeping juice. Maybe I'll even reach a month steeping some recipes with any luck.
c) PG to VG ratio as it pertains to flavor. This next bit I have been pondering but was a little preoccupied with a mass amount of single flavor testing to really get into. It's a pretty drastic swing getting mint from RY4 and it looks like you've isolated the variable that would've caused this. If you have time, you should recreate this and do another mostly PG batch to see if the mint peaks out again. I made a post not long ago asking if increasing PG would be a viable way of increasing overall flavor in a recipe. I thought this would be a cool way to bump up flavors without actually increasing percentages of flavors used in any given recipe. Everyone's response was pretty much the same.. "after 60/40 VG-PG, there will be no discernible increase in flavor. And I was content with that answer, until now. What's more odd, I had never considered the possibility that high PG would actually change the flavor profile, my assumption was always the it would just increase the perception of whatever flavor was already there. Or maybe it's one in the same. Worth investigating me thinks.
PS. Just noticed while adding FLV Cured Tobacco to my shopping cart that it contains Ethyl Alcohol. Maybe the loss of flavor you're experiencing is a result of the alcohol evaporating and taking the flavor molecules with it.
I've had this steeping a week, and it's very promising at this point. Very good standalone. Looking forward to mixing it
Could you describe the flavour strength? Would you use it at 1-2% in a mix or higher? It sounds like quite the interesting flavour, thanks for the review!
At 5% standalone the flavor was full but not overpowering. It was very pleasant as a single flavor mix but I wouldn't actually vape it as a stand alone (if that makes any sense). I could see dropping it down to 3% for mixing but I'd say it could be pushed a little higher while still firmly sitting in as a base.
Appreciate the feedback, thanks!
Western 5%, Burley 3%, Dirty Neutral Base 1% .. mixed it up last night. After trying it today I see potential. Will have to wait 2 weeks to know for sure. Might do another batch with Western at 3% and Burley at 5%, DNB 1.5%. There's definitely room to bump up the Burley. If I add a fourth flavor, Burley at 2% might work too. Western is the weakest link and might get replaced altogether but it adds a nice leafy taste that I like. Still need to play around with it.