We are all familiar with the usual flavor houses, but we are looking for extremely concentrated flavors and those are not offered by the typical vendors. Does anyone know of a company that sells very concentrated flavors (not looking for recommendations like INW waffle)?
What are you trying to accomplish? Is it for Max VG? Our recomended use rate is 2-5% Some flavors can be used higher than this without distortion, but typically a single flavor above 5 is going to get wobbly...
We are looking for some flavors that are extremely potent at 0.1%. The equivalent of 20% flavor in the smallest % possible. If you feel you can do something custom, shoot us a PM. We've spoke on the phone before.
Have you checked out MF? (Medicine Flower). I think they are the most concentrated but could be wrong as I've never used them. Also I have ordered some "Super Concentrated" from diy-ejuice.com which I use between 0.05~1% I have no idea who actually makes them but they are prety good.
Yes, we have sampled all of MF. They aren't as strong as most people claim them to be. We often find ourselves need 2-4% to achieve what we want. We will look at Super concentrated. Thank you
I believe Super Concentrated flavors are alcohol-based, so they might need extra long curing times for mixes or the concentrates themselves may need time to evaporate the alcohol.
Keeps us posted. I'm certainly on the look out for new options. The only downside to the "Super Concentrated" is that there aren't a lot of choices, maybe 20ish and no creams or bakery options. :( You could always email Kelly at DIY-Ejuice and ask for more details on the manufacturer as he's a super nice guy and always willing to help out IMO.
VapingZone has some that are highly concentrated. Look at the SC Gourmet Flavors. It's been awhile since I've used them. But the ones I tried were very concentrated.
Thank you
If these are the same as the Juicefactory.com.au 'Super Concentrate' range (I have a feeling they are) I can confirm, for the vanilla sponge cake at least, you want to be using 0.5-1.0%.
You're not going to get much stronger than what's typically discussed here. INW, FA, MF. Any stronger than those is probably unrealistic. You could contact a flavor house directly and ask them to use less solvent in a batch they send you, but why does it matter? You're going to dilute it down eventually. If you're looking for cost savings buying in bulk should accomplish that.
The application hasn't been stated.
Well if your goal is max VG, good luck, MF is probably your best bet, or maybe if you want to simply avoid PG so you can say "PG free", 1,3-propanediol is what you want. Maybe you can pay a flavor house to make a custom batch using that instead of pg? Don't know if they would though.
Edit: This is an instance where stating the application is likely to yield better results than just "i can haz strong conzentrate?"
Based on your responses to everyone, it seems like you're looking for flavor volatiles without a carrier. All the commonly used flavor houses might have one or even a few flavors that can be used at .1% but I've never heard of a whole line that is that potent.
In most recipes I've seen, FLV and INW will have the lowest overall flavor %, but we're talking about <10% for 20% flavor equivalent, not 2%==20%.
I realise it's still above your stated concentration target but Real Flavors until very recently were offering the extracts they use (at around 15%) to blend their vg-based flavourings which are then recommended for use at <10%.
The extract product line has vanished from their website but I'm sure they'd be happy to offer advice and maybe wholesale prices.