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u/abdada has been MIA for 16 days, and the new rules were posted four days ago. Which means I've got questions.
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Where does one file a reddit missing persons report?
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Is the complaint department of DIY eJuice on hold?
Hello everyone. Maybe it is a stupid question, but I can't figure out how to convert a flavor base into an actual recipe. Here's what I mean: in a flavor base all figures add up to 100% (without PG, VG and nic) how can I sort out the flavors' percetages to make, let's say, a 15 ml juice? I guess it's simple math, but I need a little help here.
Is this a flavor base you created or someone else's flavor base? Usually there will be a recommended % if it's someone else's base. If it's your own adapted from a recipe, just use the base at the same amount as the total you would use in a recipe (or use it at varying %s, that's one of the perks of a flavor base is you keep the ratio but can alter the quantity).
For Example:
If I use a combination of Strawberries in a recipe that are
- TFA Strawberry Ripe @ 3%
- INW Shisha Strawberry @ 2%
- FA Red Touch @ 1%
The total is 6% in a finished recipe. To make things easier on myself, I may make a "Strawberry Stone" out of these 3; when using this stone, I would just use it at 6% in a recipe.
Does that answer the question?
Here is the solution, but not the answer to your actual question. i.e. the recipes instead of the base recipes.
Well... Thank you! Problem solved.
I guess I can also figure this issue out, now that I have both the recipe and the flavor base.
For simplicity sake, move the decimal point of each flavor one place to the left. Does that make that base look more like a recipe now?
There are variables, like total %, but this should get you pretty close, and you may or may not want to tweak anything. If you want, you can post that base up, there are some math nerds here that love that:)
Edit: clarification
First of all, thanks for the answers. For the sake of clarity, I would like to mix up a couple of Gordona Vapes' recipes, and they are posted as "flavor bases" on their website. I don't want to create a 10 ml concentrate because I don't have tons of flavors, my idea is just to mix a test batch of juice in order to see if I like it or not. the problem is... I can't figure out the numbers.
@cheebasteeba not really: your "strawberry stone" is at 6% in the finished recipe. As a Flavor Base (which is all about the ratio of the flavors, and the flavors alone!) it would turn out to be (sort of):
- straw ripe 50%
- shisha Straw 30%
- FA Straw 20%
Total: 100% And then you mix it @6% in your final recipe (I know the figures are waaaaay off, I'm just trying to give the general idea).
Unfortunately, a juice calc can create a flavor base off a recipe, but not the other way around. I hope I managed to explain myself, english is not my first language 😊
Right, no you were actually pretty close lol. I think that's where you're getting confused as you are overcomplicating it. So if were making a stone with those, they come out to
- TFA Strawberry Ripe @ 50%
- INW Shisha Strawberry @ 33.3%
- FA Strawberry @ 16.67%
That's the stone or flavor base right there. You would still use it at the same % as the totals come out to in a recipe. Looks like you've got the recipe and info to help you out =)
Thanks for reminding me, I want to try out those recipes too!
Compare the % given for "The Lady" in the link given to you by /u/appexified to the flavor base on gordon's website. You can see that the decimal point is just moved to the left one place, then rounded down a bit. That is a perfect example of what I was saying.
You should be able to do the same for any flavor base. Just round low, and tweak as needed.
I would recommend using a calculator. Personally, I've grown to love eJuiceMeUp. Free calculator, pretty simple to pick up and use, and it will calculate out all your recipes and convert everything into multiple figures so that you can use a variety of recipe formats that you'll come across whilst scouring the interwebs.
What do you guys ultimately do with your single flavor testers? Keep around in case you need a refresher? Vape the entire thing? Dump and reclaim the bottle?
I mix 5ml testers in 10ml bottles, and keep what's left (2.5-ish ml) if I like the flavor as a stand alone. If I don't I just toss the bottle. I take really specific notes (mouth feel, harshness, flavor, and off-tastes) over a two week period; A test with no steep, one after an overnight steep, another three days after it was mixed, and then one week and two weeks after its mixed. I've found keeping such specific notes means I don't need to revisit a flavor, just read what I wrote down while testing.
I wouldn't class myself as a mixer, I'd say I'm a recipe follower, however I have a few questions that I'm struggling to find answers for from searching. any insight or advice is welcomed and pre-thanks!
The first is that I'm stuggling to taste strawberries they way I imagine they should taste. I can definitely tell when I omit them from juice, however I never get a strawberry note. TFa strawberry gives me a sour almost rancid taste/sensation, and tfa strawberry ripe adds a subtle sweet note but nothing of strawberry. Also tried cap sweet strawberry but it was just an artificial sweetener taste to me. I am also finding that if I use a strawberry concentrate the vape feels a lot more drying in my mouth.
My second issue is with vanilla bean ice cream. I have only tried tfa's offering but whatever percentage I use it at, I always get a hot black pepper note from it. I've tried 2 bottles from different vendors, and they smell exactly as I expect, but in the vape they taste peppery.
And my third is that I have a nut allergy, has anyone any experience with concentrates that could affect me adversely? I've stayed away from anything that is a "nut concentrate" it's just unnerving to me. So far I've figured I'm allergic to peanuts, hazelnuts, almonds and cashews. I'm too afraid to try any others, and am kind of worried about concentrates.
I hope the wall of text isn't horrible, typed on my mobile, sorry
I feel terribly sorry for you because I love strawberry flavors and TFA VBIC, but I wanted to let you know you're not alone. Other strawberry non-tasters have had some luck with INW Shisha Strawberry and FA Strawberry. TFA VBIC is a very polarizing flavor, you either love it or hate it. There are plenty of you pepper people. Try CAP's version.
I dunno for sure about the nut allergy but I know most allergies involve being allergic to proteins and even though concentrates have some of the same chemicals as nuts, they don't have any proteins, so they should be good. You can try a skin test of a few drops of flavoring and see if you react to it at all.
Thanks very much for the advice, I'll be sure to pick those flavours up and give them a test! There is hope yet haha ! I really want to enjoy a good strawberry cream! I think all the hype of that profile is making me want it more than I would if I didn't keep seeing recipes and "premiums" with that profile!
I seemed to develop the allergies as I grew out of my teens, but I used to love peanut butter and bananas, so I'll have to pick some flavours up and do a bit of experimenting on myself, epi-pen at the ready! Thanks again for the advice!
hey guys, I'm fairly new to this, have been mixing up some recipes for a month and want to start creating something new.
So, i have around 40 flavors and want to single flavor test them. As far as I understand this, it's best to mix up different percentages of a single flavor and then test them. Then let them steep a little bit, test again, steep even longer, test again. Is this correct?
What I don't really get is how to handle the insane amount of bottle usage this takes. Lets say I use a different bottle for every test, then that's 5 bottles per flavor, that's 200 bottles which is 100 euros where I live.
Can I clean the bottles and reuse them? What's a good way to clean them? I'm using plastic bottles at the moment.
Is there a good shop which sells cheap bottles and ships to Europe? I'm living in Austria.
ECX sells bottles pretty cheap and ships "wherever legal", but no idea shipping cost, or if Austria is on the list. Alternatively there may be local Amazon suppliers in the EU, or you can look for the same bottles labeled for a different use, like "essential oils"
thanks for the suggestion. they do have pretty reasonable prices, but shipping cost is over 40 bucks, so not really an option.
If you can find a local supplier of glass bottles those can be washed, you just can't do all your flavor testing at once unless you want to pay a lot.
Plastic is hard to clean completely and some flavors cling to it forever, but it doesn't hurt to try, just make sure to give a final rinse with distilled water before reusing to remove residue left by tap water.
See if you can find something like these and this. The test tube rack fits on my scale just fine. I use the 8 ml tubes but they go much higher. Be sure to match up the diameter of the rack holes and tubes. Inexpensive, reusable , quick and efficient.
Karter Scientific 208V2 Plastic Test Tube Rack for 12/13mm Tubes, Hold...
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Where can you get nicotine from?? All the sites I have seen are only selling the starter kits
carolina xtracts
vape clarity
or nude nicotine
To add to this:
Carolina Xtracts is the best, but also the most expensive
Nude nic has excellent quality usually, but have had some quality assurance issue in the past and ship very very slow
Vape Clarity is great quality, reasonable prices, especially for the quality, and fast shipping
I am missing a decent pineapple flavour - Can anyone recommend me one?
INW Pineapple - Fresh, tangy, sweet, juicy, natural
CAP Golden Pineapple - Canned pineapple tidbits
TFA Pineapple - Strong, acidic-tasting, candy-like flavor
FA Pineapple - One of the worst flavors I have ever tried.
HS Pineapple - Heard great things, haven't tried it.
Hope this helps.
Thanks mate - INW Pineapple it is then! Anything else I should add to my order (I always buy direct from them). So far I have Shisha Strawberry (which I love), Dragon Fruit, Biscuit and Lemon from them. Anything gems I am missing?
Im still waiting for TheCatHimself's pineapple basil gelato to steep, but that recipe calls for CAP golden pineapple and HS pineapple. From what iv heard, that's a great combo of flavors.
I can't remember what episode of the Beginner Blending series (DiyOrDie website) it was that pineapple was the flavor of the week but you should check out the series.
Okay, here's my dumb question...
I'm reading a bunch of conflicting information out there on flavorings (I'm researching before buying a bunch of stuff).
What's the deal with Acetoin? Is the tiny amount that shows up in some flavorings (custards/creams, etc) safe? Should I avoid these flavorings?
Some people want to avoid them, because they are apparently not good for you although we lack long term studies. I do not avoid them because DA/AP make things delicious in my opinion. It is up to you whether you want to avoid them or not.
I'm trying to make my own caffeinated vape.^1
I bought some caffeine powder, thinking it'd just dissolve without problems in my PG. After a 2-week steep, I'm noticing caffeine sediment at the bottom of my bottle. Could the PG absorb the caffeine from my powder like it would absorb flavor from a powdered spice, or nah?
In other words, did I caffeinate my PG, or did I just get my caffeine powder all wet and gross?
^1 Yes yes yes, I know that just sticking caffeine in a vape is inefficient. I'm also using some liquid ginseng, taurine, and guarana extracts to give it a boost. The companies that're doing well with energy vapes tend to use these ingredients, so I got some too. Also, I got powder instead of liquid caffeine because the powder's far more concentrated and I'm trying to put 300mg in a 30ml bottle ('cause a 60% absorption rate would mean that a bottle would give you a cup of coffee's worth of caffeine)
I'm not gonna preach and tell you not to do this, but is it really worth it? Sounds like you're going through a good bit of trouble to get this to work is it worth the risk? Even if you got a 30mL bottle to contain the same amount of caffeine as a cup of coffee, that's not very much considering you won't be going through that much liquid in the time that you can just drink the coffee.
Just drink some coffee, man. Or snort the caffeine powder. That'll get you going!
If you really wanna know more, do a search for "caffeine" in this sub and see what others have said/done.
What is the best greek yogurt to use in DIY? I've heard mixed things and could use some input.
I mixed a sample of strawberry cheesecake using TFA Strawberry, TFA Strawberry Ripe and TFA Graham Crust (CC) a 5% each.
Dripped a bit today and all I'm getting is cheesecake. Is it just a really strong flavour or will the strawberry come through with steeping?
You could be one of the unlucky ones that can't taste strawberry very well. At 5% each of TFA strawberry and strawberry ripe, you should be getting some sort of strawberry taste. I'd let it sit for a few more days then come back to it to see if that helped at all.
IF you still can't taste strawberry, look into getting INW shisha strawberry, Jungle Flavors Strawberry Sweet or FA Strawberry. I have just a little bit of trouble tasting strawberry and those three flavors I can definitely taste.
Also, in my opinion, the best cheesecake out there is CAP NY Cheesecake. NY Cheesecake mixed with TFA Cheesecake Graham Crust is amazing.
How do you mix those cheesecakes? I've tried 3% of each and I'm not sure I like it...
3% of each actually tastes really good to me so that's pretty much what I do. Is it the cheesiness that you don't like? If so, next time add like 1% sweetener and see if that helps. To me that brings down the cheesy taste, but still leaves you with the body of it. You can also dial back the NY and increase the cheesecake graham crust if needed
I've never made my own eliquid before but due to my tight budget I'd like to start. I'm vaping 3mg now, planning on going down to 1.5mg soon.
- Where to get PG / VG
- Where to get nicotine, what strength, etc.
TPA seems to have good prices on their flavors and cheap shipping. Would they be a good place to start off? I'd like to make something with a cool hit and mint or cinnamon/red hot flavor to begin with.
Welcome! Please do yourself a favor and read all that you can about this hobby via the sidebar and the links I'm gonna post below. The more informed you are, the better results you will have. Guaranteed!
Give all those a read before doing or ordering anything. If you have additional questions after reading those, post your questions in this thread and they will get answered. Good luck!
Does making a flavor base cut down on the steep time when you go to make the finished product? Or does it take the same amount of time as mixing everything at once? I have a few recipies I like to mix in 236ml bottles and I'd like to cut down the steep time on them.
Edit: Iv searched flavor bases and all I come up with is how to make one (which I know how to do) but not if it reduces steep time.
No. IME everything needs to steep together for the same amount of time. Except nicotine. I add it from the start, but lots of people add it after a steep.
Also, the larger the batch size then add more time. 500ml is the largest I have made at once, and it took considerably longer than a 100ml of the same recipe. Now 100-200ml tops for me, and I just make more batches.
I think it helps slightly. I mix a custard liquid that I have a flavor base made for (30mL). If I were to mix the recipe from scratch and let it sit a week, it doesn't taste as "ready" as it would had I used my flavor base. It doesn't cut down curing time drastically, but I can definitely tell the difference. You should try it out yourself with a recipe that you know needs time to steep. Here's one way you can try it out:
Get a bottle of whatever size you'd like (probably best to do 15mL), mix all the required flavors (ONLY THE FLAVORS) at their required percentages into that bottle, label it as "(recipe name) base" along with the date, shake it up and let it sit for a week. After that week (or however long you decide) is up, add your bases and nic. After adding your bases and nic to the base bottle, mix up the complete recipe in a same size bottle, label it and date it. Taste both versions right then and there and take notes to see if you can tell the difference. Let both bottles sit another week and evaluate whether or not you think making a base for that recipe would be beneficial.
Trial and error is probably the only real way to determine if it works. Let us know what you figure out.
i have been mixing flavors and recipes for some time now. I have been searching for what makes that creamy tastes that store bought juices have. Seems a lot have it and I'm lost at what makes this. Could someone please tell me.
This is a pretty vague question, because there are tons of creamy flavors and combinations of those flavorings. However, a good recipe with creamy type flavorings and time will help you the most. Let creamy recipes age/cure/steep or whatever for as long as possible.
I agree 100% with everything /u/goldfish18 said. Especially time. That is prob the most important thing with creamy/custardy type mixes. It is amazing the difference a month or even two months make. I like to make 100mls of my favs, then not touch them for a month min.
Yeah definitely. It's hard to let them sit for long, but the result is amazing. I've always preferred creamy/custards/desserts and those absolutely have to sit. This has made me become a fan of fruity recipes as well because that's what I vape while letting my other liquids sit. The best thing is when you forget about a recipe that needed to sit and you find it a couple months later. Oh baby!
Here are the items I currently have or are en route.
973ml USP Propylene Glycol
973ml USP Vegetable Glycerin
125ml 100mg Nictotine Base
Various TFA Flavors
Borosilicate Glass Beaker Set, 50/100/250 mL
Blunt Tipped Syringes
I also plan on picking up Nitrile gloves, does anyone have some suggestions on gear I should pickup before I start DIY?
I have never done DIY before and would appreciate any tips as well.
A scale.
Out of curiosity, why? I mean I have a 100g scale but I don't really see where I'd be using it.
I see that there are some highly rated e-liquid calculators for Android. Is there one for iOS that is as recommended?
No, you're going to have to use your browser. AllTheFlavors works best for this.
Me and my cousin are planning to go half and half on DIY supplies and pretty much have everything planned out on the supplies we need. However, I have no idea where to start in terms of ordering the flavoring. I've got a pretty good understanding of the mixing process, I just don't know where to go for the actual flavoring part (finding stuff like vg, pg and the like wasn't difficult) or what flavors to get. I plan on starting with basic flavors when mixing, and following recipes before trying our own luck at it.
Thanks for any help or feed back
The verified vendors link in the sidebar is accurate, but I will tell you that both Bull City Vapor and Gremlindiy are highly regarded around here. I use BCV 99% because they do have a larger selection plus they are closer to me so shipping is 2 days.
Welcome!
Will definitely look into them and make sure I check out the sidebar (sorry new to the sub and since I'm on mobile it's not as evident to see). I appreciate the suggestion and welcome!
i know this belongs in the "monthly clone request thread" but there doesnt seem to be one for this month and i searched alot for it but, is there anyway anyone might know a clone for Strong island 21 questions? maybe even just looking at the juice description and giving a recipe you might know that's close to it? thanks guys, sorry if i annoy you being in the wrong thread :-(
So I am still studying diy and I read that you should store nic in the freezer. Is that nic base or nic with vg/pg and won't the vg freeze?
Nic is in either vg or pg, or a combination of the 2. And neither will freeze, but vg in particular gets very very viscous. And that is why I recommend pg based nic. It is a lot easier to work with.
I want to make fizzmustards strawberry cream which is
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Strawberry 6% (TFA)
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Vanilla Bean Ice Cream 8% (TFA)
I only have
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Strawberry Ripe (TFA)
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Strawberry Sweet (CAP)
Which you recommend substituting and should I adjust the percentage? I see in the flavor review thread Strawberry (TFA) is recommended at 5%+ and Strawberry Ripe (TFA) is listed at 8%+.