I have roughly 40 syringes (and needles for each) mainly for flavors and of course a few for PG, VG, and nic. I normally clean them after every mixing session, but if I only make 1 or 2 bottles, sometimes I don't.
To clean them, I remove the needles and stopper things from the syringes, fill up a big bowl with warm/hot water, rinse everything off, and pour that water out. Then I fill up the bowl again and let them sit/soak for several hours, then pour out the water. I repeat that step usually 2 more times so that all of the flavors have been diluted enough and washed out.
Is this a decent way to clean everything? It gets the flavors out as far as I can tell, but doesn't actually sanitize anything. Should I go buy some cheap vodka or something and let them soak in something like that?
Hmm, people still mix by volume. That's a thing.
For about $25, you can buy a AWS LB-501.
You'll never have to buy another syringe or pipette (though still a good idea to have some on hand). Keep in mind syringes don't last forever. How much have you spent already?
You'll never have to clean up after mixing unless you manage to miss the hole while dripping flavors into the bottle.
Your mixes will be more consistent and accurate, unless you rush like an idiot, like me.
You'll be able to create juices in about a quarter of the time. Measuring by weight is extremely fast.
So I would have to get a dripper bottle for every flavor I have? and how would I convert the, for example, "5% ____ flavor" into a certain weight for a recipe?
That's where it's not as easy, if you have to try and transfer all your ingredients to dropper bottles. Some vendors sell the flavorings in dropper bottles which saves you a lot of trouble. You'd probably still save some time in the long run by switching bottles, but that's a little more work than I'm willing to invest in one sitting, especially if you have a lot of flavors.
Most people will measure with a 1:1 ratio of 1ml = 1g. It's close enough to accurate, and if you measure the same each time you mix your results will be the same. The weights vary slightly, and are typically in the range of 1ml = .97g-1.03g IIRC
I use 0.5ml pipettes I got on Amazon for the few WL flavor bottles I have. They are cheap and disposable. I don't plan on buying any more flavors from WL. I will continue to use the pipettes, but only with nic in the future. Mixing by weight is great. :)
This. I have the 1ml ones in a box next to my table with a trash can. For big bottles that don't have spouts I just grab a pipette, eyeball the amount I'll need, and then use that until I get the correct weight, then toss the pipette into the garbage. The whole thing of pipettes was like 10 bucks and I'm not a third of the way through it a year later
OP, trust /u/vurve and the others on this one. I recently switched to mixing by weight, and I feel a bit like a fool for even starting by volume. It's insanely easy and there is 0 cleanup. Sure you may have to transfer some flavors to dropper bottles, but you'll save a ton of time with cleanup. I bought 30mL dropper bottles on Amazon, and when I get a new order of flavors, I just transfer them immediately and throw away the class vials.
As for converting volume to weight, online calculators usually just have a setting to switch back and forth. My personal favorite online calculator is www.alltheflavors.com, which automatically gives you both so you can switch back and forth if necessary. However, most flavors are pretty much a 1:1 conversion and this is a pretty safe standard until you start experimenting with VG or ethyl alcohol based flavors. 1 millimeter equal to 1 gram.
I also see you've fallen prey to Wizard Labs. Yes, I know they have the cheapest prices around, but the extra $0.05 is worth getting your flavors in a dripper bottle. There are 3 big companies that are off every single flavor in drippers. Wizard Labs offers none.
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People actually defend mixing by volume. I've seen it. It's crazy.
I've been mixing for years. Volume is the way to go. Faster and more accurate.
I've seen people on Facebook groups get mad at us for jumping on people's backs and freaking out if someone says they mix by volume.
All I've ever seen are 'if you ever get fed up with this here's an alternate way to mix that might make your experience more enjoyable and streamlined' type posts.
We're kind of harsh on here, but not when it comes to that.
This. Recently switched, never looking back. I just picked up a scale from the local shady liquor store (you'll want one that goes to the hundredth of a gram) and bought a bunch of 30ml dropper bottles (for flavors that don't come in them). I just do 1 ml = 1 g, if your recipes taste off, you can always tweak but mine tasted fine going this route. Clean up is no fuss now, I keep a paper towel around when I mix and I'm good. No syringes to clean, no flavors accidentally making their way where they shouldn't be.
Another tip, I picked up like a candy bottle thing at the local grocery store, in the baking aisle, for my bases. Feels like LDPE, holds roughly 500ml, great for squeezing 40-50ml easily.
Having to transfer all my 2oz and up flavorings into bottles with droppers really kills a lot of the savings. I know I can get twist tops for some of the bottles, but since there isn't a standard it becomes a hassle. For someone that only buys 2-4oz bottles of flavorings which don't have a dropper I think it's cheaper or about the same price to stick with syringes (I use glass).
Unless there's something I'm missing, if so I'd love to know. I'd like to give weight a try.
I'm very much so on the fency about mixing by volume/weight. I'd like to make the juice mixing process easier and simplier. I'd like to branch out and make more juice... The transition is just scary. I've read this article on mixing by weight and I figured you would be a good person to ask for clarification. While reading through this article it sounds really good. Just drop your drops in straight from the flavor concentrate's bottle and watch the display on the scale. What about nicotine, PG, and VG. I understand converting all my Wizard Labs flavoring to dripper bottles.. But what about my 200mls~ of VG, 120ml of PG and 90mls~ of nicotine? What am I supposed to do about that..?
More than glad to help!
The online calculators really take care of everything!
You just plug in what you want to make and what you have, then it spits out the numbers. Even even takes into account the difference in specific gravity between VG and PG.
I think what makes it the most intermediating is that measuring liquid by volume is more intrinsic.
My next Modest Monday post is going to be all about measuring by weight, so keep an eye out. I should have a video to go with it as well.
Rats. I guess I'll have to wait until monday to place an order for a scale and what not.
In regards to the nicotine, vg, and pg deal, how would I put that in the bottle though? I know it might sound dumb.. But I'd have to use a syringe to get it out of course... I just dont understand how it would translate over..
How is mixing faster by weight? I bought a scale and tried it and it took even longer, especially trying to get VG into the bottle. Most of my bottles are 4oz so I have to use a pipette for each one.
Please help me out because I'd love to mix by weight but there must be something I'm doing wrong or a learning curve to it.
When I buy 4oz bottles, I will transfer a small portion to a dedicated 30ml bottle so that it's easier to dispense.
You should save yourself the trouble and buy a 500-pack of pipettes
I've been given a few pipettes for free when ordering flavors, and I haven't had a good experience with them. I find it harder to measure with and it takes longer to mix a full bottle, for me at least.
not to beat a dead horse, but have you considered mixing by weight?
Edit: Also, ScoopDat made an awesome suggestion with the ultrasonic cleaner. Excellent for cleaning your utensils!
Well I test a lot of flavors or mix smaller 15ml currently, and I have kinda small flavor bottles. I think if I did it by weight, I'd still need syringes/needles anyway.
Can you put syringes/needles in an ultrasonic cleaner? I thought the heat would melt or be bad for the plastic?
Ultrasonic is an awesome thing. Only problem with syringes, since they are mostly plastic and rubber, the rubber bits will absorb some flavors for good, no way around it unless you wanna get into 100s of dollars worth of metal/glass syringes (each).
Or use one of those digital syringe things I forget the name. Those are awesome
Your own juice or friends? Just clean the damn things with hot water. No reason to do more than you're already doing if that's all it's for.
People are silly.
If you are mixing for yourself, 2 glasses work.
Fill one with water
another is empty
fill the syringe a few tiles with water and squirt it out
done.
i mean, you could get all fancy, but if you are mixing for yourself, this is good enough, it is when you start mixing for $ that you really should worry about all that extra hygiene etc, but for yourself, 2 glasses and some water is fine, if you are super crazy you can add a third glass with some rubbing alcohol and add that into the mix, but water works just fine
edit: this is to be done while mixing, so you can just use one syringe for the flavors
when I use them, which has not been often since I got a scale, I would rinse the outside in tap water, pull distilled water into the syringe twice, then pull in slightly diluted rubbing alcohol and leave sit for a few minutes. Plunge that out and remove needles give the needle and the syringe a flick and air dry. The rubbing alcohol seems to help remove the flavor molecules or so I believe.
Vodka/alcohol will remove the numbers on the outside of the syringe. Some people put tape on the out side of the syringe to keep the numbers from fading but soaking in alcohol with tape will still remove the ink. Wash them like you would dishes you eat from. Warm soapy water. Even the smallest tubes of the syringe will fit on the top rack of the dishwasher pegs to stand them upright for drying. You can even just run hot water in your hand and draw up the water to get most of the e liquid off so it won't fade into the next bottle you mixing into. For personal use starting out this is acceptable. If your mixing for other people don't reuse plastic syringes.
I'll clean syringes by letting them sit in Vodka but have used iso alcohol when its too late to buy booze in my state. As for syringes.. I buy in bulk and just throw them out after each use(except for my nicotine syringes) before I started buying pipette's which are way cheaper.
I have a small glass of distilled boiling water on the table while I'm mixing.
Right after dispensing a flavor I'll hold the syringe into the glass and pump it a few times.
Far as I know, boiling hot water will sanitize them well enough and it instantly kills whatever flavor residue is in there. I use this set of three syringes (1ml, 2ml, 5ml) for almost a year now (only use them to dispense very small percentages, I mix by weight) and they're still squeaky clean, no smell at all.
I had less than 10 syringes but I Laird out a paper towel (2 stacked, actually) next to the sink. Ran some hot water.
Disassembled everything and ran water through/ on it. Made sure it flowed freely through syringes (vg clogged them up a little) and give a solid puff of air through the needle to push out water. Everything else got a pat dry with another paper towel.
You are overdoing it.
I fill a syringe with distilled water, and flush it into a rinse cup. Repeat twice more with water and once with vodka. Remove plunger and let dry.
If you use super-strong flavors like menthol or cinnamon you should have a dedicated syringe for that.
When NOT mixing by weight, I utilize .5ml, 1ml, 3ml plastic syringes purchased in bulk. After use, I throw them into a large cup filled with water. When enough accumulate in this 32oz cup, I remove the plungers and move them, and any other bottles/caps/droppers,small lab ware, etc., into a sealed container filled with hot water and dish soap. ...shake, soak, repeat. Once clean*, I rinse in cold water and let it all dry. I make a lot sample recipes in 15ml boston round bottles which often need cleaning, so doing the syringes at the same time doesn't bother me.
I use this container as my mini-dishwasher;
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*bottle caps/dropper assemblies can take longer to soak in soapy water to properly clean. I have an ultrasonic cleaner, but do not use it for plastic.
I may be totally wrong, and I've only been doing this for a month - so take this as you will.
But I always have a beaker of hot water when I work. Before using any syringe, I cycle the syringe fully with the hot water like a dozen times. Then, I cycle the syringe with air a couple times to get the rest of the water out. I use the syringe, dump & refill the water a couple times, fill it back up with hot water, and I do the cycling process again a couple times. Sure, it takes a minute or two, but from what I can tell it does a good job at getting any flavoring out of the syringe and needle.
Weight mixer here too. But I do use glass pipettes to transfer flavors, as I store them in glass bottles with alu. lids.
I just make sure the flavor only contacts the glass, then I just rinse with hot water. Unless it has any oils, as many citrus flavors do, then I use isopropyl alcohol.
Iso. alcohol is cheap, easy to get and safe. It will evaporate completely after just a short period of time. If you are using intended single use syringes, the markings might come off though with Isopropyl.
But I generally wouldn't recommend any plastics for re-use for flavorings, unless it's PET. All other types seem to hold on to flavorings, no matter how much or with what you wash them with.
Of course all the mix by weight master race douchebags must be here like vegans to tell you how wrong you are.
Aww. You must hate convenience.
You act like some proselytizing Christian. No one cares anymore. It's like you are proving to yourself it was worth the inconvenience and expense. Transferring bulk flavor into other bottles, buying scales, etc. Do you get points from the other true believers? Do you get to go to vape heaven if you convert enough souls?
This guy asked nothing about weight yet you have to push your smug shit on everyone.
Holy shit you're salty. It's actually really weird that this gets you so worked up. Most people just realize after trying it that it's a better method. I don't transfer bulk flavor into other bottles, I screw a yorker cap on my 4oz bottles and voila, good to go. A scale is $25. The religious analogy is just sad.
Have fun with your syringes. Whatever floats your boat and keeps you from smoking, buddy.
I mix by weight and agree with the convenience of it.. but your statements are spot on. Just how things go tho everyone thinks that what they do is the right and must let everyone know that every chance they get.
What I see convenient in weight mixing someone else might not. Not everyone wants to watch a scale jump from .01 and rather measure .01 in a syringe. I have 3 extra 501's from people who didn't want to mix by weight(have gotten more to convert).
He has a point, though.
The guy asked a simple question. No need to try and baptize him into mixing by weight without typing at least a sentence in answer to his actual question.
And then again, I do mix by weight and I still use a couple syringes to dispense flavors. They come in handy especially when you're working very low percentages.
I never replied to the original question, I replied when the OP had questions about mixing by weight.
This is a community for helping people and mixing by weight is an answer to a question of how to make DIY easier and more convenient. You rarely (if ever) see a post from someone saying they tried it and thought it sucked. But you do see a lot of posts from people saying they finally tried it and wished they had sooner. It has some merit, I'd say.
Please, though, I'd love to see an example of syringes being more convenient for lower percentages. No sarcasm, it's just not making sense to me.