Nude Armor V3

submitted over 9 years ago by ApexifiedDiketones, Schmiketones

I noticed there was a 3rd version and have been waiting for someone else to post something about it here, basically so I could see what /u/abdada had to say. Can't PM the bastard so here it is...

"ARMOR v3 incorporates one of our newest additives, ascorbic acid, whose anti-oxidative properties allow for the reduction of free radicals in solution. Thus, slowing the oxidation of your active ingredient – nicotine – without affecting the taste of your finished product!"

https://www.nudenicotine.com/product/nudearmorv3/

It looks promising. And if does work, it seems likely we could DIY our own ascorbic acid solution to stabilize other brands of nicotine.

Comments

8 points

by abdadaover 9 years agoI will rip you a new one if you don't use the sidebar & search.

the addition of ascorbic acid has been known to science for almost 20 years: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10600424

Juul (by Pax/Ploom) adds benzoic acid to emulate cigarette smoking's nicotine hit more. Ascorbic acid is an antioxidant (vitamin C!) which may offer a different end result in nicotine metabolism -- it might actually help reduce withdrawal cravings in between vapes.

4 points

by Apexifiedover 9 years agoOne of "The Damned"

It seems like an elegant solution to the problem of oxidation. Can you think of any potential downside?

3 points

by abdadaover 9 years agoI will rip you a new one if you don't use the sidebar & search.

I haven't looked into this in probably a year. From my vague recollection of the source research materials, I believe AA can increase cotinine in the urine which could be problematic if you have nicotine testing at work. If the case is that the body metabolizes more nicotine when AA is involved, it might mean lowering your nicotine strength as well.

I don't see any downsides unless AA causes sediment and coil gunk, which I doubt as I've added AA to e-liquids before without issue.

3 points

by Apexifiedover 9 years agoOne of "The Damned"

What was your reason for adding it?

3 points

by Apexifiedover 9 years agoOne of "The Damned"

Do you think this could be a viable solution for long term storage if paired with other methods like freezing and oxygen displacement? I know your standard advice is to dilute and store properly but in the not too distant future it might become necessary to buy larger quantities of nic that will end up sitting far longer than normal.

Ascorbic acid is cheap but I'm not sure how easy it is to work with.

2 points

by isochronousover 9 years ago

Nicotine testing? The fuck?

1 points

by spiritofsaltsover 9 years ago

https://www.industrydocumentslibrary.ucsf.edu/tobacco/docs/#id=fjlw0087

The last paragraph states ascorbic acid enhances nicotine receptor binding by 30 % at 25 nM or 4.4 ng/ml. No idea if there is more or newer literature on this.

If NN uses ascorbic acid as an antioxidant it's probably much lower in concentration anyway.

1 points

by abdadaover 9 years agoI will rip you a new one if you don't use the sidebar & search.

Yep. The science of nicotine absorption and metabolization has been researched for almost 80 years! There's so much data to go through, but some of it doesn't apply to vaping in my opinion.

1 points

by spiritofsaltsover 9 years ago

My feeling is there is still lots of speculation in the scientific literature and in the end the only definite similarity between smoking and vaping nicotine is nicotine.

2 points

by 0ptimusRhymeover 9 years ago

>free radicals

Thank fucking god I hate free radicals messing up my nic

7 points

by abdadaover 9 years agoI will rip you a new one if you don't use the sidebar & search.

I charge $25 per radical, they're never free. Dude.

1 points

by o0turdburglar0oover 9 years ago

So, can anyone chime in as to whether my next purchase should be NA v2 or v3?

I have v2 currently (vacuum bottle with luer slip seal) and I find it pretty much perfect. Every month or two I take it out of the freezer and transfer 30mL into a squeeze bottle that I just store in a box.

It works very well for me that way. I do notice slight discoloration toward the end of the 30mL bottle, but not enough to bother me.

So is there a reason I should chose v3 instead? They appear to be the same price for the 500mL I'd be ordering.

Is this just for those who don't have or want a proper storage procedure like I describe above?

2 points

by goldfish18over 9 years ago

I think that's exactly what V3 is for. I'd just stick to V2 since you are used to it. That's probably what I'll be doing as well

1 points

by CriMsonK24about 9 years ago

with this stuff, should we still be storing it in the freezer, or does the AA help in this regard?

1 points

by Apexifiedabout 9 years agoDiketones, Schmiketones

The idea of both is to slow down the oxidation process. I have no clue which of the two is more effective at doing that. But I imagine the combination of both would give you better results that either of them alone.