Ok, I wanted to take the opportunity to jump on the band wagon and show how complex and deep you can make a recipe with only 4 flavors. Ultimately, I would say the optimal number of flavors is somewhere between 3-7 depending on what you are trying to make and what flavors you have available to do.
I'm a pretty big fan of Wayne's Pistachio RY4 remix. However, I wanted something a bit creamier and sweet but still have a nice nutty flavor.
Honey Nut Cigar|% ---|--- RY4 Double TFA | 3 Milk and Honey FLV | 2 Pistachio TFA | 1.5 Marzipan INW | 1
#The Base
- TFA RY4 double - Very smooth and light tobacco that tastes like it's been dipped in caramel and brown sugar. Probably the closest thing to a candied tobacco you're going to be able to find.
#Top Notes
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FLV Milk & Honey - You definitely get slapped in the face with honey when you first take a puff. The is just so super sweet and tasty. Almost gives a sugar lips feeling. I don't get much milk from this flavor. More of a yogurt in my opinion, but it's still got a dairy flavor and it's still delicious and creamy. I'd say this flavor is also pretty heavy on the base with the cream.
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TFA Pistachio - Just a nice pistachio flavor all around. Kind of dry, earthy, nutty. Well rounded. The nut flavors are very vital in this recipe. They are helping balance the sweetness against the tobacco, otherwise it's just too overpowering.
#The Background
- INW Marzipan - Another all around great nut flavor. It's got a smooth almond flavor with a touch of cherry and nougat. You could very easily sub with flavor with FA almond if you want a more bold, dry, and earthy almond flavor. Probably start around 0.5% and go from there.
#Conclusion
There it is. 4 flavors and it's a pretty complex flavor. Still very sweet even with the pistachio and marzipan. I already got some feedback on this from /u/DemonicMixer on All the Flavors. Seems to be going over very well. Something like RY4 generally needs a good steep, but we are both shake and vaping it.
I think of TFA Pistachio as more of the "pistachio ice cream" type of pistachio flavor, a lot of almond vanilla creamy etc. If you want a dry, earthy, nutty slightly sweet pistachio - FA's is definitely more ideal in my opinion.
Milk and Honey is probably best suited for tobacco use. It carries appreciable cocoa/coffee/peanut nuances in it at higher percentages those all serve as great supporting notes in tobacco.
Marzipan is an interesting choice, it should fit well. Will boost tfa pistachio as well as the honey flavor from milk and honey.
I think you whipped together a pretty interesting base.
Some things that you could try separately -
Fig flavor - when I heard honey and pistachios, fig comes to mind. Would give a hint of fruitiness and balance out the nuttiness, as well as just making some of the sharper notes from marzipan a little less bold. I'm also thinking about trying maybe a pear flavor here.
White Chocolate - pairs really well with pistachio, makes the tobacco more candy like/dessert themed.
FLV Cured Tobacco - if you're after a cigar, this flavor would be a great supporting tobacco note.
Cool share, I think I'll play with this a bit.
I might need to go check which pistachio I actually used. I have both, but haven't played around with them much.
I do really like the idea of dropping some FLV flue cured for a stronger tobacco flavor, but I was wanting something a bit lighter when I whipped this is.
Thanks for the suggestions though. When I get back to playing with this recipe, I'll definitely try all those out.
Flue Cured will recede into the background a bit as you let it age. Just try 0.50%-1% and come back to it after couple days to a week.
FA Pistachio is one of their very concentrated flavors. 0.25-0.50% is pretty strong from my experience, it does need at least 12-24 hours to start making its presence known though.
Man, I feel like so many people taste different things from FLV Milk and Honey. I get some sort of light chocolate taste from it.
It's a very weird flavor for sure. I almost get a bit of pastry flavor too, which is probably coming from the honey part of it.
No chocolate though :/
Yeah it's super interesting. I bet this recipe is a nice break for you from watermelon flavors lol.
I really need to pick up some TFA Pistachio.
you're not alone, there's something there that reminds of the milk in the bottom of a bowl of a Cocoa/Choco Krispies.
Would you be upset if a posted a thread with my 16 revisions of Honey Bourbon tobacco? Cause I just finished going through this same thing. 4 flavors, but I only used TFA. I've been debating whether to post it in the recipe thread, and I dont want to threadcrap
Sonds yummy don't have milk and honey do you think you could sub butterscotch and cream in its place
You could certainly make it work, for sure.
I chose FLV milk and honey because it has so many complex and weird under tones that compliment tobacco really well, and I was trying to go along with the whole simplicity theme.
Looks wonderful. Great job, buddy. I will order some of these on my next batch order. KEEP IT UP SWURVE!
Excellent. Glad to see you approve!
If you do want to add a little something extra to this, a little bit of FLV flue cure and/or FA almond will balance off the sweetness and cream while enhancing their respective flavors 😊
ooh, I have a question. I began DIY a few years ago and my main goal was to make an authentic pipe/cigar tobacco. I always felt that such tobaccos had a sort of marzipan smell. I even bought tobacco leaves and steeped them, some I added jack daniels! anyway, they all turned out garbage and I gave up but been dipping my toes again recently.
Questions is, does that marzipan add to that tobacco flavor I mentioned? or is it just more of a dessert type accent?
At 1%, it's more desert.
However, if you mix up 3% FLV flue cured + 0.25% INW Marzipan, I could see that going really, really well, just like you are talking about
cool, thanks for the tip! I used to visit a tobacconist when I was a teenager and they sold like coffee flavor tobacco, cherry etc. and when you walked in it was like a musky marzipan smell. Hope something like that works :)
after 3 days of steeping this stuff is getting better and better.really a vivid flavour profile with that hint of tabacco on the back and the sweet notes of the other ingredients.thanks again /u/vurve for sharing this delicious recipe
Glad you're liking it! My GF already killed my original 30ml, so I'll have to mix up some more and hide it from her.
If you hadn't messaged me within an hour of me posting this to ATF, I wouldn't have cross-posted here.
yeah that's the only positive thing about my wife not vaping,so she's not killing my tasty liquids.would prefer that she did though instead of still smoking those stinkys.would be a shame if you would't have posted this up here. apparently a lot of people like it
Looks great and good excuse to use up some FLV Milk and Honey which I've hardly touched since I got it. Going to give this a try at the weekend with FA Pistachio, and maybe a version with FA Marizpan (no experience with that yet, just got it) and one with FA Almond.
Came back here to say this is excellent, thanks for the recipe. I went with:
Ingredient|% :---|---: Marzipan (FA)|1 Milk and Honey (Flavorah)|2 Pistachio (FA)|0.75 RY4 Double (TPA)|3
Flavor total: 6.75%
May try upping the FA Pistachio a little to bring it more to the front. Easy to overcook the Pistachio with the FA version though so I was conservative first time out.
So far I'm preferring this to Wayne's Pistachio RY4 :)
Finally mixed this up and it is very good, if a bit sweet. I wanted more tobacco and a hint of chocolate in the background, so I added 3% FE Black Mile Plus. That took it to a completely different level; sweetness was less prevalent, tobacco upped a bit and the chocolate tones of BM+ blends perfectly into the mixture. Still tweaking the percentage of the BM+, at 4% it is a little too aggressive, wiping out the nuttiness. 3% seems like a winner for now.
If you have some FE BM+ lying around (and you really should, it is excellent), give it a shot.