My last post was on creating the perfect roll base and stated a lot of failures and realizations where this one realizes the better parts of my newest attempts (being the cinnamon).
It all started with wanting to create a cinnamon roll as my all day vape. A local shop created one that I loved before I started DIY and lately I wanted to revisit re-creating it but I think I'm creating something better.
So, with that said let's get the recipe.
Flavor|Percentages| :--|:--| Sugar Cookie (Cap)|4%| DX Hazelnut (TFA)|2%| Joy (FA)|.75%| Cream Cheese Icing (Lorann)|1.25%| Rich Cinnamon (Flavorah)|.25%|
Steep Time: 4 days to a week tops (crucial), this is not as shake and vape even though I did. I think I notice what notes will come out over a good steeping. A 10ml bottle of the recipe without the Rich Cinnamon tasted the closest to a roll with icing than you'd think. Though, I may revisit this with part 3.
The thought (my thesis):
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Sugar Cookie I originally got this idea from Wayne's mix of Funfetti where he uses Cap's Sugar Cookie to give off this moist cake-y taste. I lowered the percentages because I wanted a little bit rougher of a taste, a roll instead of a cake. Sugar Cookie has a history of being a flavor everyone should have and I agree. I originally wanted to stay away from this with prior recipes because the other cinnamon flavors used would draw my recipe too close to a Sugar Bear clone, which is more of a Cinnamon Sugar Cookie instead of a roll.
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Hazelnut This flavor kicks ass, I used TFA's flavor on this one instead of my normal Flavor West because of the recent problem with them. I hoped it would come out right but this is just an added nutty taste for the roll along with the sweetness that comes from it.
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Joy While deciding on mixing, I thought that Sugar Cookie may steep into a cookie without the right flavors backing it up. Joy was used in recipes by Wayne (again, big influence in making this recipe) in Funfetti and Bronuts. Here, I decided to use it to get a pastry type feel from the Sugar Cookie in hopes it would stay a roll type flavor.
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Cream Cheese Icing The icing on top, obvious choice and I lowered it due to my taste of it. I didn't want the cream to be overpowering in the recipe but be dominate on the inhale while the cinnamon was the exhale. This flavoring is a bitch to work with in my experience but I decided it would be best to try before expanding into a three cream flavor combination that would create the perfect icing.
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Rich Cinnamon Holy shit, I just got this flavor today and it exceeded my expectations from the smell to the taste. It is a true baked cinnamon and the percentage I used it at was based on other people's recommendations.
The outcome (the taste):
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Sugar Cookie/Joy Definitely a steeper for 2-3 days, by then the Cinnamon should mellow itself out as well. The roll was presented by these two playing with each other. Joy added the dough-y taste while Sugar Cookie provides the buttery, flake-y taste.
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Rich Cinnamon/Hazelnut This taste exactly like the cinnamon my local B&M had on a line. I don't think they would be using it since it's such an expensive flavoring but nothing else comes close... Definitely a keeper because it gives off a true cinnamon-baked taste when vaping, beautiful and tasty. Highly recommended in any arsenal when DIYing. Mixed with the hazelnut it gives a better taste when thinking that it's an actual roll, plus they got hand-in-hand.
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Cream Cheese Icing I taste hints of it at the percentage I chose, which is what I was going for so it will come out more as it steeps. A practice with this percentage seemed to create the best icing on top of a pastry than anything else.
Overall review and concept:
Definitely my new ADV (or the start of), the problem is the steeping as I'm a big "make when I'm out of things to vape" type of person but I'm getting better with ridding myself of the habit. In the meantime, my Honeydew/Cactus mixture will get me through. Though, I will update as the steeping occurs.
Beautiful work not just piling more ingredients together. Mine is at 13 flavors and while it's good, it's starting to feel like I took a wrong turn somewhere so in contrast this looks mighty good. Have you tried this with FW Hazelnut at all, and if you have, is there a noticeable difference?
I love how you're coming along on this recipe, and your notes since version one.
Thank you.
It's no problem. I decided to give back to the community, when I first came on here I was more of a lurker and posted questions lazily. So I hope this gives back and allows other mixers to get ideas as well.
I like the rich cinnamon/hazelnut combo you have going on here. Might try something similar in my horchata recipe
If I experiment anymore. I may lower the percentage down just to not have to let it steep as long because of how powerful Rich Cinnamon is. I'm planing on experimenting with different Hazelnuts too. I notice Hazelnut compliments a lot of bakery flavors but cinnamon is the best by far.
Excellent notes. I need to pick up LA cream cheese icing it's picking up a lot of traction lately. Recipe looks good
I recommend using it from .75-1.5%, I did a mistake as a new mixer and tried 3% once and my palate was destroyed.
I did a mix with it at .75% and Vienna Cream at 1.25% and created a nice cream base once. It definitely adds something nice but it's a strong flavor. The only Lorann's I constantly find myself picking up.
Awesome. I've been becoming a pretty big fan of lorann lately. Banana cream is a staple of course and I LOVE LA Watermelon.
"Hazelnut This flavor kicks ass, I used TFA's flavor on this one instead of my normal Flavor West because of the recent problem with them. " Apologies for the formatting of the quotation, but I'm still a reddit newb and getting the hang of it. What is the "recent problem with [fw hazelnut]"?
Flavor West lied about using sucrose in their flavorings. Mainly Yellow Cake which causes a lot of people to not want to use them. I recommend the alternative but Flavor West would be my go-to for myself because I don't really think it's sucrose like Yellow Cake and I'm willing to take the chance until stated otherwise. For safety though, I recommend using TFAs.
Fructose, but I guess just sugar explains enough. I still use the yellow cake in some recipes because there just isn't a real alternative yet.
I still see people using tfa Caramel Original, not here usually but other places. That has corn syrup. Most people just don't care I guess. After I bought a bottle of that I looked at the ingredients and saw the corn syrup and shelved it right away.
I heard about fw yellow cake, but not (oh god not my precious) fw hazelnut containing sugar. have you come across evidence that this is the case for fw hazelnut as well, or are you just sort of generally casting doubt on FW?
I made this last night and had to use FA hazelnut and went with .50 instead of 2% and bumped the icing up to 1.5. It's good even overnight but it's just missing the baked flaky buttery part, we'll see what happens in a few days tho.
For my tastes sugar cookie just does not do it for the buttery flaky aspect, even backed up by joy. It's just too..... creamy, maybe. That's the taste I get from that flavor, a fresh baked kind of creamy sugar cookie.
I'm going to try adding in a little bit of tfa cinnamon danish swirl, that's very buttery to me. It also has a better taste than cap so hopefully it doesn't mess up the cinnamon in this.
How would you go about getting the baked flaky buttery part? Biscuit and or meringue?
I think biscuit is sort of similar to a sugar cookie, going by the pictures. I've never been able to pick out its flavor strongly in a recipe either but that could just be my tongue. So i can't really say what it tastes like. Meringue I've mostly used to get that sugar frosted slightly baked taste in cereals and the like.
That's what I've never quite figured out though. The flaky pastry bit. You can add one of the cinnamon danish swirls and get a better pastry flavor but then you add in their cinnamon as well, which isn't great.
If there was just a pastry flavor of some sort that would be amazing. Like buttery, flaky, doughy, etc but without additional stuff like cinnamon or other spices.
I know this is a wild guess, but I have the idea of using Glazed Donut by Cap. It adds a pastry taste if used at really low percentages compared to it's Chocolate Glazed counterpart.
It's probably going to be in my next attempt because after steeping it has turned into more of a cookie.
I love sugar cookie, but cinnamon crunch is probably the most spot on cinnamon roll. I find rich cinnamon is WAY potent. I use a 10% dilution at .15%(1 drop/20ml) along with about 1% cinnamon danish swirl.
Hey man, I hope you are not going to take this the wrong way but I will have a bit of a play around with this as well.
I am going to go for:
Cinnamon Roll
Ingredient|% :---|---: Cream Cheese Icing (LA)|1.25 Hazelnut (FW)|1 Joy (FA)|0.75 Rich Cinnamon (Flavorah)|0.25 Sugar Cookie (CAP)|4
Flavor total: 7.25%
Cinnamon Roll with Apple
Ingredient|% :---|---: Cream Cheese Icing (LA)|1.25 Fuji Apple (FA)|4 Hazelnut (FW)|1 Joy (FA)|0.75 Rich Cinnamon (Flavorah)|0.25 Sugar Cookie (CAP)|4
Flavor total: 11.25%
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Cinnamon Roll with Apple/Apple Pie
Ingredient|% :---|---: Apple Pie (FA)|1 Cream Cheese Icing (LA)|1.25 Fuji Apple (FA)|4 Hazelnut (FW)|1 Joy (FA)|0.75 Rich Cinnamon (Flavorah)|0.25 Sugar Cookie (CAP)|4
Flavor total: 12.25%
Have you tried this with Almond (FA)? It works great in u/returnity recipe.
This recipe has evolved a lot more since this. This is more of a crusty/cookie type vape. Where I'm steeping some more experiments at this moment to get closer to a Cinnamon Roll. The ones you added to it look good but I think maybe when I post this next one you can play around with it as well. No harm as long as you cite me as a base creator! =)
Also, this may be random but do you steep Fuji for a long time? I normally use it at 2% and it has to steep for weeks. Why 4%?