Please delete this thread after you have read it, I realize it should not remain.
We have a problem over on the Canadian ECR sub. Someone posted yestrday about nicotine and also 99.9 pure nicotine and is "gauging interest" as to how many folks would like to buy some. I immediately posted about the irresponsibility of it etc and implored the mods to remove it. I have sent two mods PM's (one yesterday and one again today) but the thread remains. I fear most folks over there don't understand the dangers of what that product is and someone will indeed PM the OP and get their hands on this stuff. And maybe now that I have posted against it, folks will take their interest off the thread and into the PM world. I just cant stand by and watch/wait for something awful to happen. He has responded to me saying he has handled it for a year and a half without incident and I fear those reading that will think its ok to do as well. The climate for nicotine in Canada is quite different than the US and quite frankly, there are many "under the radar" resellers. This OP however, would just be peddling stuff that is not safe! I realize nicotine in Canada is more difficult and expensive to get (good quality) and many may want to jump on this thinking they are getting something better than what is already available.
I know CECR is not your sub, but for the sake of DIY and safety, please, could some of you mods come over there and back me up? Or contact the mods over there?? I don't know the protocol for what type of assistance you could offer. Or if "mod to mod on reddit" there is anything you can do. I think maybe even the mods don't realize the importance/urgency of getting this thread removed. Or they don't even understand what the real dangers of that type of purity of nicotine are. Maybe you could explain it to them? I don't really know what type of help I am asking for, I just think something needs to be done about this.
I don't mean to sound like an alarmist, but really, I do, because that stuff is deadly, as you know. And no matter how "responsible" the OP claims to be, they aren't, or they wouldn't have posted to begin with. To have that post remain, in perpetuity, is downright scary and dangerous.
Like I said, please delete this thread as soon as you wish, I understand you wont want it to remain up here. I just wanted to put out a cry for help to you all. I don't know what else to do. I'm sorry if you think this is inappropriate. I'm just trying to protect folks who don't know. I would hate to see something disastrous happen. Thank you very much.
Not sure what special powers you think mods have, but my voice is just as loud as yours. My mod duties here doesn't make my posts any more valid than anyone else on this forum.
The proper thing to do is report the thread. If the mods there aren't doing their job, there's not much anyone can do about it.
If you post a link to the relevant thread, though, I'll be happy to go there and hit the report button, as would more than a few of our readers. If a couple dozen people hit report that ought to at least get the mods' attention.
Ok, thank you. I really wasn't sure what you could do. I just feel like the mods there don't understand the danger of that strength of nicotine and aren't responding as they could/should, not realizing what it is. And my "voice" didn't seem to be getting through. I just thought with your knowledge perhaps they would listen to you. I didn't post a link, simply not wanting to draw more attention to the thread, but yes indeed here it is. I didn't know how "report" works. Hopefully it will. Thank you!
https://www.reddit.com/r/Canadian_ecigarette/comments/4h0tlz/nicotine_base_and_999_pure_nicotine_canada/
I hit report and made a couple comments.
I love how government regulations turn into black markets of danger goods so quickly.
Sorry to hear about this situation. I would never go near pure nicotine, ever.
I'm not advocating for the matter but what how dangerous would working with this even be? I guess my question is do you or anyone else know what this product might have been used for or be used by
You can watch Pbusardo's video to find out. The folks at the FlavourArt's Factory explaining how dangerous it is to work with, and what kind of safety measures need to be taken.
Some vendors buy pure to mix down their own bases to sell. Nicotine is useful for pharmaceutical companies and there are still uses for it as an insecticide. The risk of death is much higher, see the Ld for humans and the nicotine value isn't that high when it comes to pure.
So, how diluted is 100mg nicotine? It seems like people should be able to work safe knowing what they have, no? I admittedly do not know the answer to this.
Pure nicotine is 1000mg/ml, so 100mg/ml is 10%.
I thought purity and concentration were two different things. The nicotine can be 99.9% pure, but in a concentration of 100mg/ml. Am I missing something or are technicalities in play here?
yes you got it. Purity can relate to the quality of the nicotine in solution, but it can also relate to the solution concentration as whole.
example
this is a 10% solution of 99.9% pure nicotine:as opposed to a 10% solution of 98% pure nicotine. (higher quality from the beginning/supplier)
or this is pure nicotine, no pg/vg (higher concentration from the beginning/supplier) .
OP, thank you for seeing a problem and speaking up about it. These people (regardless of their alleged experience) clearly do not know the dangers of the potency with the chemicals they're considering handling. They'll open their bottles and the fumes will knock them out as it is. I got your back!
OP has been deleted now.
Not a mod, but I got yer back
Thank you. I really appreciate you guys all helping. Hopefully the mods will wake up and get rid of the post. The OP obviously has no intention of deleting it on his own. Not really understanding reddit and its ins and outs I thought a mod might be able to notify another mod. But I realize now, just everyone helping is what is needed. So thanks again!
I don't understand what you're concerned about - are they forcing children to drink it?
The lack of knowledge is the concern. People don't know what the concentrations are, no one who is a "responsible" diy'er, and Im talking your average person, mixing for their own use, would ever use 99.9% nicotine if they were informed about it. But if they don't know, and buy it, and merrily carry on, without proper precautions, (like a hazmat suit!), they will harm themselves, and those around them, just from the fumes even. So, yeah, Im concerned. Its not about forcing children to drink it. Its about selling a product that isn't sold to your average person for personal use. And with the high cost of nicotine in Canada, (and sometimes questionable sources), this could be a real problem. Folks thinking something like: oh, I can buy this "stronger" nic and save myself some money. No responsible person would sell 99.9 nicotine to anyone on the internet for personal use. And many are not as informed or enlightened about the strength and hazards of that nicotine. Heck, they don't even want to entertain discussions about that strength on this sub, never mind let someone "gauge interest" and potentially sell it.
Nicotine that pure is extremely dangerous and potentionally lethal. The fumes off it can supposedly get you nic sick or worse.
100mg/ml is even considered dangerous without proper gear, but luckily I've had no trouble with it getting on my skin. But thats only 10% compared to almost 100%.