My Ethyl Maltol Experience

submitted over 9 years ago by DemonicMixer

So the other day i wanted to mix up another batch of my vienna applestrudl.The original recipe had 6% FW Green Apple in it and it had just the right amount of apple,bakery notes and sweetness. Because i did't have enough Green Apple left i decided to combine it with FA Fuji which is a great apple as we all know. I made a mistake and ended up with too much apple so in the end the apple-mix was way too sharp and had too much of a tartness. I thought i could save the batch by adding a bit of Ethyl Maltol to bring down the sharpness and the tartness of the apples. Boy i was wrong.It did completely the opposite of what i was going for so the 30ml bottle ended straight up in the sink. Conclusion: * Never use to much of any flavouring in the first place.especially fruits which come with some tartness. * If you have to mellow down things like i mentioned before go with Marshmallow or maybe a hint of meringue.EM doesn't do the trick IMO.at least not for apple

Would be cool to hear about your experiences with EM and when (not) to use it

Comments

5 points

by abdadaover 9 years agoI will rip you a new one if you don't use the sidebar & search.

EM is not a flavor muter by any means. EM is a flavor modifier.

Every individual aroma volatile compound reacts differently with ever heavy compound. EM can work as a fixative. It can either amplify or reduce the potency of individual volatiles.

Maltol (methyl, the non-ethyl version) is already a great fruit enhancer but EM is 4-6 times stronger than regular maltol.

3 points

by Wo0d643over 9 years ago

I'm going to name my next band "the Ever Heavy Compound".

2 points

by skiddlzninjaover 9 years agoThat one moderator. You know, the honey guy.

I use EM with Lime flavors to cover up the terpenes. It either smooths them out or covers them, because 2% FA Lime Tahiti with 1% EM10 is a much smoother lime than plain.

1 points

by abdadaover 9 years agoI will rip you a new one if you don't use the sidebar & search.

Makes sense. Maltol interacts with terpenes quite well -- in fact, terpenes are used to extract maltol from natural items. I'd assume EM is even better with terpenes in terms of that.

2 points

by alsignssaynoover 9 years ago

Would adding a couple drops of EM help smooth things considerably, or would you recommend using just a low percentage like .5-1% to get that smoothing effect to lime flavors? Or try a few drops, and if it isn't smooth enough add a bit more to the mix until I hit the point I like? I'd just be worried about repeatability at that point.

1 points

by skiddlzninjaover 9 years agoThat one moderator. You know, the honey guy.

From that link, it looks like the maltol just inhibits the terpenes from vaporizing properly, being replaced by the sweet maltol volatiles?

1 points

by DemonicMixerover 9 years ago

that's interesting.it wouldn't occur to me that EM would do any good on lime flavors.i've been working on a strawberry-lime shake and i used FW Key Lime Natural as the Lime part.That shit is so strong even at 0.3% that is still up front and it still overpowers the Stawberry (ripe)@ 4% and Sweet Strawberry@ 5% Maybe it's just a bad Lime Flavor but that's the only one i had. You think EM would do any good here?

2 points

by skiddlzninjaover 9 years agoThat one moderator. You know, the honey guy.

The EM in the strawberry ripe should do more than enough. You could try some triacetin or TFA smooth to help with the lime, but feel free to try adding 1% EM to the mix before ordering more flavors.

1 points

by wh1skeyk1ngover 9 years ago

I would lose the FW and get some TFA Key Lime and maybe some FA Lime Tahity to compliment it. Much better taste IMO.

1 points

by wh1skeyk1ngover 9 years ago

I could never do that to Lime Tahity, I love that shit the way it is. However Lemon Sicily isn't as intriguing even at 1%. Would EM help that, or what else would you recommend to smooth off the lemon rind taste?

1 points

by skiddlzninjaover 9 years agoThat one moderator. You know, the honey guy.

A different lemon

1 points

by DemonicMixerover 9 years ago

I don't know why i had the stupid idea to use EM here.I guess i just had a mixing-blackout for a minute lol i already knew before that EM is not a good use for mellowing down shit. but hey,you learn from committing mistakes and that for sure won't happen again

2 points

by abdadaover 9 years agoI will rip you a new one if you don't use the sidebar & search.

EM is well known for muting flavors -- for sure. EM is also intricate in that it can amplify flavors after a shake and vape and then weeks later mute them. Or vice versa.