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Welcome, new members of the DIY community!
submitted over 9 years ago by matthewkocanda

Hello everyone!

Over the past few days, and thanks to a lovely post from /u/Vurve from a few nights ago, it seems like we have a nice influx of new members to the DIY subreddit. So first, I'd like to say hello.

This sub is a fountain of knowledge that can all be obtained with just a little effort and dedication. Creating your own e-liquid does not have to be scary or intimidating, although it may occasionally look that way due to the intense work our moderators do to keep the place tidy. I've seen plenty of posts over at other e-cigarette subreddits that claim our community to be elitist or power-hungry or any other negative connotation that really only stems from a focus on organization.

Warning, your post may be removed!

Now, if this happens, don't let it get you down. Most of the time, if you ask a moderator WHY a post was taken down, they'll give you an explanation which will hopefully help prevent it from happening again. This post from me is just an attempt to help you prevent that shit from happening in the first place. Because, well, when a post gets removed, it's actually to help the community keep this as a focused sub where information can easily be found!

Above all, this is a community based around the recipes. A community focused on mixing delicious e-liquid. If you want to talk about mods or gear, e-liquid reviews (this is different than detailing your flavour notes), or just general vaping discussion, you may want to head over to /r/Vaping or /r/Electronic_Cigarette.

So let's dive right in to why I'm posting this in the first place, shall we?

Plain and simple, no amount of post deletion from our mods, berating from /u/abdada, or references to the sidebar are going to prevent new members from just flippantly posting whatever they please. However, there's no real excuse for not seeing a hopefully stickied post that sort of can act as a central hub for that information.

Oh you're on mobile? Well this post would be right there at the top of the posts. No need to fumble through "trying" to find the sidebar or the search function. Just find what you need and get to reading.

So let's break it down even more.

You're new. You may have very little knowledge on where to go or what to start with. While some people think that new mixers should start with mixing by volume, I'm going to go ahead and disagree with that. Volumetric mixing, or mixing with syringes, is a sure fire way to get discouraged. The amount of time it takes to even do a flavour test sample, the amount of effort that goes into cleaning and sanitizing syringes after each use, and the heightened room for error is actually what caused me to give up on DIY for months. If someone had told me from the beginning to start of with mixing by weight, I'd have been in a significantly better place earlier on.

Here are two great videos from this community that will tell you everything you need to know about mixing with a scale.

DIYorDIE mixing tutorial and New Amsterdam Vape mixing tutorial

So yeah, mixing by weight WILL create a little more of an investment from the startup, simply because you'll be spending a little bit more money on this scale, but trust me, you'll probably be spending roughly the same amount to purchase enough syringes to get started anyway.

Mixing by weight is more efficient, significantly cleaner, and will allow you to be just a touch more accurate with your percentages.

Now let's get into what else you'll need to get started. I see a lot of people posting here asking what they should get in their first order to get into DIY. Well, let me try to help.

#FIRST ORDER INFORMATION

VG - Vegetable Glycerin - this is the thick part of your e-liquid base. The VG is what creates the vapour cloud, and also provides a little extra sweetness to your mix.

PG - Propylene Glycol - the thinner part of the e-liquid base. PG is what is carries the flavour into your mix, while also providing some of the throat hit you want in vaping.

Nicotine Base - obviously you know what this is. I would recommend, as a new mixer, starting off with a slightly lower nicotine strength. 48mg/ml is where I started out, and it worked just fine for me. Eventually you could move up to 100mg/ml when you're more confident handling a dangerous product. Nicotine can harm you. Please be sure to practice proper safety procedure while handling nicotine.

While we're talking about nicotine, you might as well pick up a box of Nitrile Safety Gloves to wear while handling your nicotine.

Now, the fun part. Your flavourings. Some people like to order directly from the company that manufactures their favourite flavours. But if you're mixing by weight, ordering from TFA (The Flavour Apprentice) directly will cause you some problems. They ship their flavours in little glass vials that almost force you to use syringes. No good. Here is a little list of the best flavour distributors that are tried and true.

ECigExpress - GremlinDIY - Bull City Vapor

Okay, now you have some decisions to make. Do you want to roll the dice and pick up some flavours that sound good to you? Do you simply want to recreate some tried and true recipes from the community? I would suggest a blend of both! Find a few recipes that intrigue you, pick up the necessary flavours to mix those up, and then grab a few others that you think you'd like to experiment with! That way, you won't only have flavours you don't know how to mix with, leaving you with shitty e-liquid that makes you want to drive out to the B&M and spend more money on subpar juice. Right now, I'd suggest heading over to All The Flavors and looking through the growing catalogue of recipes for something that sounds good to you.

Personal recommendations to start with? Mustard Milk by /u/Fizzmustard, Pebbles by /u/NotCharlesManson, Cliche by /u/skiddlzninja, and Dreamsicle by /u/Vurve.

Not only will these recipes provide you with a good majority of the "essential" flavours you'll want in your arsenal anyway, it will also consistently give you an enjoyable vape while you work on your own mixing style.

Okay, now we have the first order fulfilled. On to the next part.

#MIXING

Well, you have the shit you need, but what do you use to actually formulate how much of each ingredient to put in the mix? There's a few resources here, some better than others. I'll do a little breakdown of each right now.

dot1ml e-liquid calculator - probably the best starting point for any new mixer. Simply plug in the pg/vg ratio, desired nicotine strength, and flavour percentages and the website automatically sets the numbers for you! The issue here is that you'll only be getting the volumetric amounts, so mixing by weight isn't going to be as easy using this method.

eJuice Me Up - simply download the software to your computer, and get to mixing. Some things to pay attention to with eJuice Me Up, there will be a little troubleshooting to do on the first time using it. Using Botboy141's Guide to Mixing by Weight, you'll see a list of the weight values of each individual ingredient in your e-liquid. Using those numbers, you'll want to go to the "tools" section of the eJuice Me Up program and select "Grams Set." Here, you'll just plug in the values where they belong.

All The Flavors - your one stop shop for mixing. No fiddling with ingredient values. No outside software to download. Just do what you'd do with any e-liquid calculator, but ATF just does it better. Mixing a recipe using the calculator is free, but if you want to save more than one recipe, you'll need to pay a monthly or yearly subscription fee. But this way, you can save your recipes directly to the website and never worry about them. If paying for a calculator isn't your thing, just mix up the recipe, and write everything down so you have it saved SOMEWHERE for future reference.

#NEW MIXER POSTS

So you've mixed something up? Awesome. That's an accomplishment in and of itself. But what to do now? Well, if you think the recipe is perfect, post it! If you think the recipe is mediocre, post it! If the recipe fucking sucks but you want to make it work, FUCKING POST IT.

The issue here isn't about posting your recipes, it's how you post them. I'd always recommend posting your recipes from a computer as opposed to mobile. It's easier on formatting. There's a little link on the bottom right of the text box of the post submission page that says "formatting help." Click that, and now you'll see the different ways you can format your recipes. I'd recommend using the bullet points when posting the ingredients and percentages in your recipe.

But here is the crucial part to not only keeping your post alive, but also helping you grow as a mixer...

#POSTING FLAVOUR NOTES

...just do it. Whether you feel like you aren't experienced enough to pick up the subtle nuances in a recipe or you're a fucking professional chef and can taste shit that isn't even there, let us know! Not only does it help us better understand your recipe, it will also help new mixers get a feel for how certain flavours work at certain percentages! Not to plug myself, but take a look at any of the more recent recipes I've posted, or any of the multitude of recipes from users like /u/Vurve, /u/TheCatHimself, or /u/NotCharlesManson to get a better understanding on how to post and formulate your flavour notes.

#OTHER SHIT

You're a new mixer, I'm sure you have a million questions. No problem! Before you go making a separate post about something simple, do a quick search in the search bar about it. If that doesn't provide the answer you seek, post it up over at the Weekly New Mixer's Thread which can easily be found at the top of the sub. I'd link it, but I believe the hyperlink to it changes each week. This thread is a safe haven for anything you may want to ask. I will be making a better effort to check that thread at least once a day to help out any new mixers with questions they may have. And finally, if all of those don't seem to help, always feel free to message me directly. I'll help you out as best I can. With that, every Monday Night at 9pm EST, /u/Vurve and I run the Beginner Blending Podcast where we do our best to help out new mixers with flavour notes, mixing techniques, recipes, and really anything you may want to ask. It's a friendly little get together where Vurve and I bullshit for an hour and try to help out you new mixers. Come hang out, I'll be getting drunk, and you can ask anything you'd like and we'll answer to the best of our abilities.

Maybe you have a recipe you like, but you don't want to go through and post the flavour notes. You just want to get it out there and get some critique? Post it up over at the Monthly Recipe Thread! If you format the posts with the "HOT" tab, as opposed to the "NEW" tab, you'll see that the monthly recipe thread is always stickied at the very top.

Looking for some simple recipes to start with? These threads all are recipes including only flavours from a particular vendor!

[TFA Recipe Thread] (https://www.reddit.com/r/DIY_eJuice/comments/45jlih/tfa_only_recipes_the_update_weve_all_been_waiting/) - Capella Recipe Thread - Flavour Art Recipe Thread

#IN CONCLUSION / TLDR

Again, welcome to the sub! I, as well as the majority of the community, hope you enjoy your time here. To keep this last part simple, just keep some key things in mind when visiting here:

  • almost EVERYTHING you need can be found with a search or by using the sidebar
  • if you're posting a recipe, keep the formatting clean and provide some detailed flavour notes
  • keep the discussion posts productive, beneficial to the community, and as neutral as possible. But please remember, this IS a sub for the creation and mixing of e-liquid, so if a discussion doesn't directly pertain to that, it may be removed.
  • we're all here to help each other, but if something you post causes you to get called out, downvoted, or removed, don't immediately get salty about it. The easiest way to discredit yourself here is to start off by being defensive or just an all around dickhead.

Well, this was lengthy. Hopefully it provides a little central hub for any new mixers to find some quick links for any information they may need. If anyone has anything to add, please do in the comments.

Happy mixing, everyone.

Cheers!

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by Duke____Silverover 9 years ago

Not enough flavor notes. Shitpost reported.

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by kirktover 9 years agoBring on the Diacetyl, baby

Good post, man.

One point where you and I disagree (a bit) is that this is, IMO, not a sub about recipes. It's a sub about diy mixing, which happens to include recipes. I remain of the opinion that the proper place for recipes is the monthly thread, not the front page (rule 6). If I'm looking for inspiration, that's the first place I go. Reddit's broken search function makes it a lousy forum to be a recipe repository, and the monthly thread is at least a decent way to keep things somewhat organized.

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by matthewkocandaover 9 years ago

Well said, and I actually do agree with you. Need to get in the post and reword that part, because I do agree that this is not just a recipe sub, I just wanted to make sure I was reiterating the fact that it's not a place to have general vaping discussion or stuff like that.

Also yeah, I think that's something else people need to realize in terms of why shit gets deleted sometimes. Searching for information on this sub can already become a fucking chore as it is, allow general posts or questions that only add more brokenness to the search would just be hell.

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by skiddlzninjaover 9 years agoThat one moderator. You know, the honey guy.

Helping keep the search clean is apparently "censoring."

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by matthewkocandaover 9 years ago

Yeah well you're Hitler so fuck you.

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by Duke____Silverover 9 years ago

Glad to see you guys can't get me off your mind ;)

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by CtrlaltDelTacoover 9 years agoProud Sidebar Reader!

/u/skiddlzninja best of luck to you with this recent influx of new members. May god be with you.

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by skiddlzninjaover 9 years agoThat one moderator. You know, the honey guy.

I've personally adopted a no tolerance policy lately for shit posts.

4 points
 
by Botboy141over 9 years agoGunner's Gold Gourmet E-Juice

Only 2 years after I adopted the same policy =)

1 points
 
by skiddlzninjaover 9 years agoThat one moderator. You know, the honey guy.

This job makes one jaded and callous

2 points
 
by noamtheostrichover 9 years ago

Same here. I hope I'm not bothering you mods by reporting too many posts.

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by skiddlzninjaover 9 years agoThat one moderator. You know, the honey guy.

Nope, it helps us find the problem threads faster.

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by so_sic_of_itover 9 years ago

I'm jealous. :(

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by skiddlzninjaover 9 years agoThat one moderator. You know, the honey guy.

Hahahaha, it could be worse. You could mod /r/vaping...

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by Apexifiedover 9 years agoOne of "The Damned"

You and /u/Vurve just kinda appeared out of nowhere and basically took over the sub.

I dig it.

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by Cryphyover 9 years ago

Hope this helps to create an influx of useful posts as well.

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by matthewkocandaover 9 years ago

Honestly, after Vurvo posted that shit on ECR, I knew the shit posts were going to come in droves. I'm hoping this will get stickied at some point and alleviate a little bit of the work load from the mod queue.

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by wes1007over 9 years ago

>Whether you feel like you aren't experienced enough to pick up the subtle nuances in a recipe or you're a fucking professional chef and can taste shit that isn't even there,

This cracked me up! Cant wait to get into mixing my own. Sadly It looks like ill have to import a lot of the concentrates as we don't have much around here.

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by matthewkocandaover 9 years ago

Where are you from? There are a lot of international resources for flavours.

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by wes1007over 9 years ago

South Africa.

Just after posting that reply i came across Valley Vapour They seem to have most of the common stuff.. except cola :(

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by lilPoeover 9 years ago

I'm surprised you didn't mention ELR. I have found a few great recipes from random people through it. Also, ELR is an awesome way to find an ok baseline on the percent of a flavor you should try.

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by matthewkocandaover 9 years ago

Fuck, I knew I forgot to add something. While I have my issues with ELR in terms of being a good resource for new mixers, I think that's just because I'm no longer really a "new mixer," at the risk of sounding pretentious.

But yeah, ELR is a great resource to get baseline information and some good notes on flavour profiles. I just hate how literally anything can go up there. Can't tell you how many times I mixed a recipe based on the description to end up vaping something gag-worthy. Hahaha.

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by lilPoeover 9 years ago

Yea there are some bad ones! But once I got better at mixing its very easy to tell what is good and what's not.

But I agree the biggest benefit is judging what percentage a flavor is commonly used at.

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by matthewkocandaover 9 years ago

Yeah, definitely. Once you get a feel for mixing, you'll know that seeing a recipe that calls for 8% on most anything except for TFA Strawberry Ripe is probably not gonna be good hahaha.

But yeah, the individual flavour note profiles is insanely helpful. Almost every new flavour I get, I run it through ELR just to see the average and then go from there.

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by PriceZombieover 9 years agoOne of "The Damned"

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by avtomat5150over 9 years ago

Everything he just said. I am relatively new, but I have fallen in love, done way too much reading to be considered anything less than an obsession, and performed more searches than I could care to remember.

Every time I order flavors, I do research on each individual one, or look for what is generally considered to be the best brand and variety for that particular type. I ordered about 30 in one go for my second order without doing any research, and ended up with some terrible flavors. After I learned from that mistake, it's been totally smooth sailing.
Also, I dont know if I have just been lucky, but a good 80% of the recipes I have come up with in the past two months since I started DIY have been vapable, about 50% have been good enough to make twice, and I have even come up with 4+ all day vape worthy mixes that are better than anything I have ever tried from a B&M.

I started because I wanted to have Unicorn Milk for a price I could afford to down 15ml/day+ of, and I ditched that flavor profile within the first two days. It has become a huge interest, and a major hobby since.

PS- The podcast is fucking wonderful <3 You have a dedicated listener from here on out.

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by TheCatHimselfover 9 years agoPâtissier

> I dont know if I have just been lucky

Nope, DIY is just that easy to get into. The massive amount of reading makes it seem much more complicated than it is. There's a lot of words to process, but once you actually sit down and start putting ingredients into a bottle, vape what you've made, and get an idea of how the flavor extracts work with and/or against each other, everything makes a lot more sense.

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by Cryphyover 9 years ago

This is a perfect description of what should be done. It gives me hope, as just maybe lurkers like myself are simply gaining information quietly.

Maybe one day the shitposts will turn into actual discussion and not just rehashing shit. So I can continue to use you all for your wonderful information and research.

So, thanks.

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by crimson_shadowover 9 years ago

I disagree with the anti syringe propaganda. EMBRACE YOUR INNER MAD SCIENTIST! (was part of the initial fun factor for me... and my wife who enjoyed a few laughs at me tinkering always good to keep the better half amused) .. on a serious note tho once you get past 5 to 10 flavors just fork over the 20 bucks for a scale time saved on finding the particular syringe for this flavor and that ect.. is worth it.

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by TheCatHimselfover 9 years agoPâtissier

Both methods have their merit. I don't feel like busting out the scale if I'm just mixing 15mL of a new recipe to test it, but I also don't feel like turning myself into Edward Syringehands to mix 240mL+ of a juice.

Edit: Also, I don't like measuring nicotine by weight. Always by volume. It just feels "safer" to me, regardless of the batch size.

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by Apexifiedover 9 years agoOne of "The Damned"

IMO small test batches are where the scale is most convenient. If you're mixing both ways I assume some/most of your flavors come in dropper bottles. Can't imagine how it's more convenient to pull the tops off and bust out multiple syringes (depending on the number of flavors) than to pull a scale out and turn it on.

But my scale has a dedicated spot to hang out, so perhaps I'm biased.

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by matthewkocandaover 9 years ago

I wrote the post up at like 2a last night and I remember thinking that after posting, but being too tired to inherently care.

Mixing nicotine by volume is definitely better, the only reason I've been able to mix by weight on it is because CXT sends their 120ml samples in a dripped bottle, so I can easily just weigh it out drop by drop til it's where I want it.

But most of the time, yes, you'll definitely want to be using syringes for the nicotine. Good call. And thank you :)

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by Apexifiedover 9 years agoOne of "The Damned"

I disagree with the notion that it's at all necessary. The only convincing reason I've ever seen for it being necessary is if you're using Nude Armor. Otherwise it's pretty simple to put it in a bottle you can drip from, if it doesn't already come in one (VapersTek 120ml have yorker spouts, too)

Perhaps I'm missing something. If so, I'm sure someone will correct me.

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by matthewkocandaover 9 years ago

Well said, and I'm not necessarily anti-syringe. It does have it's place and I am thankful to have syringes from my first few months of mixing. However, I feel like as a new mixer, the added work that goes into volumetric mixing might be frustrating. I know it was for me hahaha.

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by wilciwsover 9 years agoMixologist

This is pretty awesome, great post. I'm excited to see what happens here in the next few weeks. :-)

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by wikki_kidover 9 years ago

Brand new here, and glad I came across this post. This sub comes off as very harsh to new people, but I really want to get into DIY. I've watched several videos and been reading several posts on here (including this one of course) and I'm going to be purchasing supplies this week to begin. Thanks for posting something that doesn't make me feel like a moron that has no business poking my nose around in here.

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by TheOnlyMomoover 9 years agoOne of "The Damned"

System: "Your post has been removed."

Mail to mod: "Hey, was just wondering why my post was removed."

Mod: "Read the sidebar..."

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by Vurveover 9 years agoVurve with the Swurve

Love you :)

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by abdadaover 9 years agoI will rip you a new one if you don't use the sidebar &amp; search.

I am elitist and power hungry. Chicks dig guys who take risks, like mixing with latex gloves.

2 points
 
by HocusKrokusover 9 years agoFrugivore

I never use gloves. I just tell the juice I'm Catholic, it believes me every time.

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by abdadaover 9 years agoI will rip you a new one if you don't use the sidebar &amp; search.

I feel you. My faith requires that I drip into the tighter airflow holes in the rear.

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by contactclosureover 9 years ago

Max VG for less friction and resistance? Maybe a little koolada or Eukaliptus Z Mieta for a little extra sensation?

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by tranceinateover 9 years agoIn a good mood for now - don't piss me off.

It's only risky if you're using powdered latex like a noob

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by abdadaover 9 years agoI will rip you a new one if you don't use the sidebar &amp; search.

I find the powder actually enhances flavors! Talc is a fixative.

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by tranceinateover 9 years agoIn a good mood for now - don't piss me off.

It would, you would. Lmao.

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