While enjoying a glass of wine this weekend, it occurred to me that wine flavored vapes could be really cool. Take this description as an example: > The primary fruit flavors of Sauvignon Blanc are lime, green apple, passion fruit and white peach. Depending on how ripe the grapes are when the wine is made, the flavor will range from zesty lime to flowery peach. What makes Sauvignon Blanc unique from other white wines are its other herbaceous flavors like bell pepper, jalapeño, gooseberry and grass. These flavors come from aromatic compounds called pyrazines and are the secret to Sauvignon Blanc’s taste.
It is common to discuss wine by discussing the notes by their similarity to different flavors. While there is not any lime, green apple, passion fruit or white peach that goes into the wine, those esters are present (and the chemicals quite similar or identical to the ones in the fruits mentioned). It then occurs to me that it would be possible to start with perhaps a white grape and champagne flavors as a base and bring in some trace notes to round out a wine flavor.
I have found this about wine/champagne flavors, and this that specifically mentions being a wine-like flavor, and then this discussion on oak aging, but I don't see that anyone has discussed blending a wine flavored juice. So I wanted to tap into the great minds of this sub and see if anyone has any experience with this idea, as it would seem to me that there could be some major hang ups in getting a flavor that identifies itself as wine and not fruit punch.
Flavoring ideas for the base (with recipe count)
"White Grape" flavors from ELR
- White Grape FA (180)
- White Grape FW (51)
"Wine" Flavors
- Wine Champagne FA (164)
- Sparkling Wine LA (81)
- Sparkling Wine INW (53)
- Wine Red FA (38) - Contains Diacetyl
- White Wine FW (29)
"Champagne" flavors
- Champagne TPA (1722)
- Wine Champagne FA (164) REPEAT
- Pink Champagne FW (158)
- Champagne LA (60)
- Champagne FA (44)
- Champagne INW (44)
I would love to hear people's experiences that may or may not be pertinent to making a wine flavored liquid from these (or other) flavors. If you accidentally found a flavor/combo that reminded you of wine or what have you.
I have pushed into white wine as an initial thought process, but red wines could be really fun too. I feel like flavors like, coffee, cassis, black cherry, raspberry, plum, tar, cola, plum, anise, and tobacco leaf are really well understood (maybe not tar). Please let me know if you have any ideas in this direction as well.
TL;DR: lets talk about wine flavored eliquid (with or without the suggested flavors)
FA Bilberry tastes like musty semi-rotten fruit to me...
I was thinking this, but I think FLV Blueberry is even better for the purpose of wine. It has a very raw blueberry flavor with lots of, what taste like, tanins.
My only problem with FLV blueberry is that it tastes too much like blueberries. Skin and all. Sure, it sounds good in theory, but I haven't found much I actually wanted to put it in.
Then, as soon as I saw this thread, I immediately thought Blueberry Wine!!!
MF Cabernet Sauvignon and MF Sauvignon Blanc are both excellent, too.
any insight in your percentages that you are using, or tidbits of tasting notes?
I start out at 1.33% and adjust downward as a singular flavor.
Both of them are 100% accurate to the flavor on the label. They're not as easy to use in composition with other flavors but I've been working on a sangria flavor using both as as the prominent note.
No sweeteners needed at all, relatively extensive steeping helps to round out the bottom end of the flavor (thicker wine note).
One TFA flavor that really helps bring on the "wine" top note is TFA Kentucky Bourbon -- as a hint, not as a major flavor.
I use FA Red Wine quite frequently and it tastes just as the name implies. It pairs wonderfully with black cherry, and even better with MF Dark chocolate. Also it can be used in small amounts to provide a "baked" flavor to desserts vapes with darker berries, much the same way you would use FA Liquid Amber with lighter fruit such as Apple, Peach, Pear, etc.
Muscat wine is one that would be ripe for emulating as it has a big perfumed grapey flavour. Eat some Muscat dessert grapes and try a wine made from it and you'll see what I mean (not an oxymoron as most other wine grapes aren't something you'd ever want to eat). I'm thinking FA White Grape (not that I've ever tried it) and bringing in lychee, apricot, honeysuckle, maybe melon. Lychee definitely one to think about, it's the characteristic note in Gewurtztraminer too.
That would be a really nice direction. Dessert wines would be nice even when I'm not drinking.
It would. Muscat and gewurz can be dry as well as sweet. I remember tasting a French Muscat that had this massive lush sweet bunch of grapes thing on the nose and then a big surprise that it was actually a dry wine.
TFA Green Apple tastes like vodka. The EtOH on the outbreath could help direct a flavor profile toward "chalice of wine" and away from "gallon jug of purple drank".
I get what you are saying, but what does 'EtOH' mean?
I've been tossing around ideas for a sangria vape: red wine, apricot, lots of orange, maybe some mango, papaya, pineapple and strawberry. Getting the fruits to mingle and stand up to the red wine seems like an interesting challenge.
Over the weekend I got to try a plum wine vape from 28 Days Vape. Easily the most unique vape I've tried so far. Very light but still rich in plum and floral flavors with a smooth, sweet wine-y exhale. Kinda kicking myself for not buying a bottle of it.
That sounds like a great idea, I'd love to hear what you find if/when you start tinkering with this. I have found that with my ambrosia recipe it is VERY hard to even get fruits to stand up to one another. My citruses keep melding together and I can't keep them distinct, I'm thinking about citric acid for a bit of that pop.
>These flavors come from aromatic compounds called pyrazines
Sweet, I'll try 10% acetyl pyrazine.
In all seriousness though, a sauv blanc [inspired] vape could be quite good. Getting the light bell pepper and grass notes could be hard - maybe tobacco but it's more hay-like and I'd assume the jalepeno flavour that's available would be too spicy. Passion and peach shouldn't be too hard. Then maybe some grape and champagne to tie it all together.
This was my thought process, more or less. I thought that some actual lemongrass flavor would be good to try. Also for the tertiary flavors, it would probably be good to make dilutions.
Ahh lemongrass - good idea!
If I didn't already have a massive backlog of recipes to try I'd have a play with this. Keep us updated on how you get on.