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A question about Citric Acid
submitted over 9 years ago by vaperforlifeOne of "The Damned"

I've been working on a Cherry Limeade recipe. I'd like to go ahead and post the recipe along with some development notes, but my question relates to how I used Citric Acid.

FW Black Cherry - why this cherry and not the myriad of other cherries available from all the other vendors? My favorite flavor is cherry and when I first started DIY, I wanted to make a good cherry vape. Unfortunately a lot of the cherry flavors out there suck. I've tried every cherry flavor available from FW, TFA, and FA and this is the only one that I've liked so far. I read that INW Cherry or one of the NF Cherries might be a better alternative so next time I order flavors, I'll grab those and keep experimenting.

For now, FW black cherry provides a decent enough cherry flavor for what I'm trying to accomplish with this recipe. It's ideal usage seems to be between 5-6%. Anymore and it starts to become cough syrup, and at any less you can hardly tell it's there.

TFA Key Lime - this is a great lime flavor hands down. I've used this standalone, and in combination with FA Lime Tahiti Cold Pressed. For simplicity in this recipe I just used TFA and it works just fine.

I also added Koolada and Menthol to add a touch of cold.

Version 1.0
FW Black Cherry 5%
TFA Key Lime 2%
Koolada .5%
20% Menthol 2 drops per 30ml (.06g as measured on my trusty LB 501)

Too much lime. TFA Key Lime is particularly strong, especially compared to a weaker flavor like FW Black Cherry. Knowing that increasing the cherry would turn it into cough syrup, I lowered the Key Lime instead.

Version 1.1
FW Black Cherry 5%
TFA Key Lime 1.5%
Koolada .5%
20% Menthol 2 drops per 30ml
80VG/20PG 3ml nic

Much better, as I can now taste the cherry and the lime! But it was missing something. It wasn't quite sour enough. At this point I had vaped 1.5ml of a 30ml bottle, leaving me with 28.5 ml of black cherry. I had a 5% Citric Acid solution in VG that I picked up from Nude Nic a while back and I decided to add 2 drops to the mix (.09g as measured by the LB 501).

I was then satisfied with my creation and decided to mix a larger 120ml batch to steep while I vaped on my 30ml bottle.

Here's where it gets confusing for me: I changed the calculator to make a 120ml batch at 3mg nic and mixed all the ingredients together except for the nicotine and put it in the drawer to steep. A few days later I took it out and added the nic, shook it up and vaped it. I couldn't taste anything except a hint of a sour note. No cherry, and no lime taste at all.

I know that I added all the ingredients in the correct amount, and I know the scale has been recently calibrated. The only difference was making a larger batch, adding the Citric Acid in with the other ingredients and adding the nic later. I ended up making another 120ml batch adding all the ingredients except for the Citric Acid and Nic, allowing it to steep for a few days, and then adding the Nic and Citric Acid later. Now it tastes just fine.

I still have some now about 2 weeks after I mixed this last batch and it still tastes just fine. Should it matter what order I out the Citric Acid in, or did I really miss something when I added the first large batch together?

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Thank you for your time.

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by Sehn82over 9 years ago

I'm not entirely sure but I vaguely remember reading that citric acid could mute flavours over time. It was in one of a reasonably popular recipe's discussion thread. Again I'm not 100% certain as I can't for the life of me find the thread. Perhaps someone else remembers. I'll update this post if/when I find it.

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by vaperforlifeover 9 years agoOne of "The Damned"

It definitely can, that's why I used a very small amount. With the first 120ml batch I made it was tasteless after 5 days. The current batch was made almost 2 weeks ago now and it still tastes fine.

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by pencilbaggerover 9 years agoFrugivore

this is the thread that comes to mind for me.

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by abdadaover 9 years agoI will rip you a new one if you don't use the sidebar & search.

It should't matter at all -- my guess is you made a mistake somewhere in the foul batch. Who knows what the mistake might be?

My scale has a 9-pin serial port output that I connect to my mixing laptop. Whenever I get a stable read it outputs the weight to the laptop which I log. It really helps when I want to scroll back and see how much I added -- especially if I have some batch to batch issues.

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by vaperforlifeover 9 years agoOne of "The Damned"

That's what I was thinking. I figure if the CA was going to ruin my recipe it would have done so by now in this batch, but it hasn't. I initially thought I had the calculator set to the wrong milliliter setting. I use the E-Juice Lab app on my tablet and whenever you open up a recipe, it defaults to the last size you mixed at and it was set to 120ml. Idk where I screwed up then, but if you say it doesn't matter when I add the CA, then it definitely doesn't matter when I add it. Thank you for your help.

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by abdadaover 9 years agoI will rip you a new one if you don't use the sidebar & search.

I would guess your calculator must have screwed up somewhere. I don't know that software, but I would suggest printing out the recipe you're mixing and mix from the print out. I never mix from the screen, I always print my recipe -- I have a nice Dymo 4XL printer I picked up used that I just print on 4x6 labels and then I know exactly what I mixed. I print the batch number at the top and then cut the label and stick the batch number on the bottle, the rest of the label is the recipe (and the batch number again).

Works really really well.

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by vaperforlifeover 9 years agoOne of "The Damned"

>I would suggest printing out the recipe you're mixing and mix from the print out.

This is a brilliant idea. Like, sidebar material good.

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by Vurveover 9 years agoVurve with the Swurve

Printing? Like on paper? People still do that?

I load up the recipe on my laptop, type up some notes, and then save it.

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by nhoy14over 9 years ago

That is such a good idea! Where can I find one of these scales? I've been using a cheap $10 scale I got off eBay (it works usually within ~.05-.1accuracy) but being able to log how much you put in would be amazing.

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by abdadaover 9 years agoI will rip you a new one if you don't use the sidebar & search.

MyWeigh i601 is my go-to scale. It has screens on the front and back and also has an internal battery so I don't need to keep it plugged in.

Plenty of vendors sell it -- make sure you get a 500g calibration weight if you buy one used.

The serial port is kind of messy but I tie it to a simple terminal app and save the readings to a text file under my batch number.

Edit I just saw your scale cost, whoops. Might be a touch pricy lol. Lifetime warranty (in US) tho.

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by nhoy14over 9 years ago

After looking one up, I think I'll stick to my eBay scale lol. Maybe one day I could afford to spend $200 on that, because that looks super nice.

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by thedirtyprojectorover 9 years agoOne of "The Damned"

Omit the citric acid and try TFA Lemon. Not lemon lime, not key lime, not lemonade. Just lemon soluble.

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