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Florally soapy failures
submitted over 9 years ago by abdadaI will rip you a new one if you don't use the sidebar & search.

Good morning folks, except for you strange Aussies and Euros...

Looking for anyone who can remember a recipe that was really florally or soapy due to overflavoring. Specifically non-fruits, but fruits work as well.

I'm doing some research on finding the true component cause of this issue and have some of my own data but it's really old and I don't know if I trust myself.

If you're a new DIYer, or an old one with notes from way back when, and you've ever made a soapy-florally mess that you resolved by cutting back on the flavor, please post your recipe as best as you remember it.

Pipettes to the People,

A.B.

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by elephantrainbowsover 9 years ago

Flv strawberry @ 1.5% is flowers to me, have not cut it back yet to try if lowering helps but based off other people's notes it's just me.

Inw strawberry is flowers @ 1% and again, haven't tried lowering it.

Inw shisha strawberry is flowers @ 3% same thing.

All single flavors, even after a week steep.

I'm going to try all 3 @ .5 tomorrow and I'll send you a pm.

Edit: PRSM juice "blue" is also a floral mess of a juice if you want commercial stuff.

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by whitaker2472over 9 years ago

The shisha strawberry is that way for me above 5% but the floral part gets better after a couple days of sitting.
I also have always got soapy or chemical taste from Cap cake batter at or above 3%

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by elephantrainbowsover 9 years ago

I'll try to find that bottle I mixed up last week :/

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by whitaker2472over 9 years ago

I had mixed up 3% cap sweet strawberry 3% tfa ripe strawberry 2% inw shisha strawberry 1% tfa dragonfruit

That turned out good after 2 days of sitting. Im not sure if was dragonfruit that helped the shisha or if thats just how it steeps. I like the flavor but need to play with it more.

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by abdadaover 9 years agoI will rip you a new one if you don't use the sidebar & search.

Amazing, thanks!

10 diacetyls for you, sir /u/changetip

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by elephantrainbowsover 9 years ago

Why thank you. While we're on the subject can you perhaps tell me why tfa juicy peach and flv peach have a shitty chemical/burnt/rubber taste to me? Fa white peach doesn't as much. I've vaped commercial peach juice before but can't seem to find a good peach concentrate I like.

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by abdadaover 9 years agoI will rip you a new one if you don't use the sidebar & search.

Not sure about FLV, but TFA Juicy Peach has some triacetin in it and that can reach with plastic (syringes, pipettes, etc).

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by changetipover 9 years ago

/u/elephantrainbows, abdada wants to send you a tip for 10 diacetyls (592 bits/$0.24). Follow me to collect it.

Bonus: 10 diacetyls GIF

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^^what ^^is ^^ChangeTip?

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by Raybait1over 9 years ago

Ive never made one that was soapy/floral but I have bought a few. The ones that stand out are mt baker thug juice and seduce juice vanilla custard. Thug juice is pure dish soap that no amount of steeping could cure. Vanilla custard was faint vanilla and in your face flowers.

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by abdadaover 9 years agoI will rip you a new one if you don't use the sidebar & search.

Hmm, did you order those with extra flavor shots?

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by Raybait1over 9 years ago

The thug juice purchase was so long ago that I couldn't say for sure. The VC was recent and flavor shots wasn't an option that I seen so no on that one.

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by abdadaover 9 years agoI will rip you a new one if you don't use the sidebar & search.

Curious! Thanks for checking in, I'll add that to my list. Doesn't help a ton since it doesn't list the concentrates but maybe I can figure out what is used in those e-liquids.

have 5 diacetyls on me /u/changetip

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by NotCharlesMansonover 9 years agoFirst diy_ejuice Recipe Contest- Best Recipe

I'm just here to get that butter money.

3 points
 
by tranceinateover 9 years agoIn a good mood for now - don't piss me off.

I'd butter your money, baby.

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by NotCharlesMansonover 9 years agoFirst diy_ejuice Recipe Contest- Best Recipe

80% of our comments are about how bad we wanna fuck each other.....

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by tranceinateover 9 years agoIn a good mood for now - don't piss me off.

Whoa Whoa whoa, bro...

I never said I wanted to fuck you..😘

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by cpmerrillover 9 years ago

CAP cake batter. it tastes like soapy play dough above 5%

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by altneuroseover 9 years ago

This was soapy, This was not.

Everything with TFA Grape Candy, TFA Grape Juice or even 0.5% INW Cactus is floral; TFA Honeydew is soapy AND floral.

That's all I remember right now.

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by abdadaover 9 years agoI will rip you a new one if you don't use the sidebar & search.

That is super helpful, thank you!

Inhale 10 diacetyls on me /u/changetip

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by changetipover 9 years ago

altneurose received a tip for 10 diacetyls (592 bits/$0.24).

Bonus: 10 diacetyls GIF

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^^what ^^is ^^ChangeTip?

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by tranceinateover 9 years agoIn a good mood for now - don't piss me off.

Cactus is supposed to be a little florally. I get more "green" from it than floral.

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by helloiamyourpeepawover 9 years agoProud Sidebar Reader!

TFA Honeydew at >= 4%

TFA Coconut Extra >= 1%, dies down after prolonged steep. 3% stays soapy

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by abdadaover 9 years agoI will rip you a new one if you don't use the sidebar & search.

Awesome info, thank you!

Have 10 diacetyls for your vaping pleasure on me /u/changetip

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by fritobandito32over 9 years agoMixologist
  • INW Dragonfruit 4%
  • INW Cactus 1%
  • TFA Honeysuckle 4%

I enjoyed this recipe a lot a few months ago so I gave a sample to all my friends. Got the same feedback from everyone that it tasted like soap. It's definitely the cactus. I love it at 1% in certain recipes but no matter what recipe I put it in at that percentage most of my friends taste soap. 0.8% seems to be the spot for them where you can taste the cactus but you don't get soap. Interesting enough I don't get soap from it until 2%.

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by abdadaover 9 years agoI will rip you a new one if you don't use the sidebar & search.

Yep, INW Cactus for me stops at 0.5% or else that happens.

Thanks! have 10 diacetyls to taunt vapor joe with /u/changetip

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by fritobandito32over 9 years agoMixologist

It's always interesting to me how that works. Like why don't I taste soap at 1%? I will check the notebook when I get a chance and see if I can find anymore recipes that ended up tasting soapy

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by abdadaover 9 years agoI will rip you a new one if you don't use the sidebar & search.

> Like why don't I taste soap at 1%?

This is what I am working on (at least, will start working on in June). My goal is to work out which volatiles are the soapiest, at what concentration, across a wide range of different palates, to try to help create a better platform for people to make better flavors.

My theory so far is that the soapy flavor comes from some of the toppest notes -- the ones with the lowest specific gravity and lowest boiling points. If true, this is why extended steep times can help reduce soapiness because those volatiles evaporate the fastest.

BUT -- if you add a fixative component (base notes, high specific gravity and high boiling point), those can anchor some of the top notes from room temperature evaporation, and no amount of steeping will help.

I recently started writing my own software to try to "estimate" components in a final eliquid based on what percentage of what concentrates are mixed. It's wildly inaccurate but I think I have a good grasp right now and if it all works in the long run, it would be an excellent piece of code to give to any of the code mixing app developers.

I would like to see a "warning warning warning" sign when people start creating recipes in an app based on a variety of input signals. Such as the recent TFA DX Sweet Cream post -- if you go over X% of butyrics acid in an e-liquid (based on entering a variety of concentrates), a warning sign should pop up saying "warning warning warning, vomit flavor approaching, reduce A, B and C concentrates to prevent vomit flavor."

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by tranceinateover 9 years agoIn a good mood for now - don't piss me off.

I almost never use INW dragonfruit above 1%, shit is strong. I can't imagine 4%

Have you tried Cactus by itself? It can be a bit floral & green at times, but it's never been soapy.

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by fritobandito32over 9 years agoMixologist

Several months ago when I got Dragonfruit I tried it at 0.5%,1%, 2%, 3%, and 4% and wrote down notes. 1% was very very faint to me. 2% I could taste it and it was good but still not right. 3% was good but still a little light for standalone. 4% was flavorful and just perfect dragonfruity goodness. That honeysuckle mix is the only recipe I use it at 4% in. Otherwise I stick to 1-2% usually and 3% if I really want it to be in the forefront in a mix. It works fucking magical in a White gummy mix (shoutout to skiddz for the idea) at 3% for me. Perhaps I should revisit it standalone.

And yes sir! I've tried cactus by itself. It gets soapy for me above 2% for me otherwise I love it. I feel like my palette is weird though. For instance everyone raves about FLV VC and I wanted to love it so fucking bad but no matter what percentage all I got was a hint of Vanilla with some sort of spice. Also use FA honey at 0.4-0.5%, can't taste shit at anything below that haha

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by ramblingpariahover 9 years ago

Non-fruity, I haven't had the issue with so much. The one that stands out to me is FA Blackberry - like vaping potpourri soap. It's really quite lovely, in that if I were making soap or room deodorizer, I would say, "Wow, I love this!"

In a juice at 5%? No amount of steep could make it good.

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by abdadaover 9 years agoI will rip you a new one if you don't use the sidebar & search.

I'm certain that's true, I have the same issue with MF Blackberry -- anything over 0.1% brings a lot of green leaf flowery to a recipe.

Thank you! Suck down 10 diacetyls of mine for extra popcorn lung! /u/changetip

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by ramblingpariahover 9 years ago

Mm, crunchy. Thanks!

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by FalconHunterover 9 years ago

Mount Baker Vapor's Cola recipe (not DIY, I know) is exactly what you're describing. I don't know what made it that way, but the Cola flavor was spot on on the draw, but the aftertaste was floral and soapy and completely vile.

I don't know if that will help, but I hope so.

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by Botboy141over 9 years agoGunner's Gold Gourmet E-Juice

Early early on in my mixing days TFA Coconut Extra @ 8%...diluted to 2% and was fine =).

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by torturedzenover 9 years agoMixologist

Not sure if this qualifies but the other night I threw together a sample batch of Strawberry Kiss (INW) 5% along with my established cream base. The SK was new to me and I had not tried it previously. Test batch was 6ml total, no nic. Shake shake drop on finger flavor test. It was the nastiest fucking flavor I ever concocted. Let it age 48hrs...still nasty. Either I used too much SK or the concentrate itself was bad. And I mention not qualifying because it wasn't really florally but did have a very slight soapy note.

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by reapeferover 9 years agoOne of "The Damned"

It's not a flavor, it's a concentrate sold by a little shop in France so I don't know if it can help but I bought a caramel pop-corn concentrate who tasted like flowers when it was fresh.

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by 87fover 9 years agoProud Sidebar Reader!

I have made two mixes in my time of DIY which came out perfumey as fuck, to where I can't really vape it. The common culprit in both cases was TFA Guava. The recent recipe I had 8% TFA cantaloupe w 3% TFA watermelon and 2% ripe strawberry. Added in 2% Guava and it tastes like perfume with a slight backnote of fruit.

Might try a 50% dilution of the mix to see if I can salvage it.

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by Johnny_two_bagsover 9 years ago

Im probably alone here but TFA pomegranate deluxe at any percentage gives me a floral mess i can not deal with and as tfa blackberry at almost any percent. One of my first major failures was a blackberry pom pom. That shit was terrible.

2 points
 
by ryan770over 9 years ago

FW Kiwi over like 3% tastes like dish soap to me. Also mixed with TFA Greek Yogurt it enhances this.

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by tranceinateover 9 years agoIn a good mood for now - don't piss me off.

FA Lychee at .5-1% in anything is like rinsing my mouth with Dawn or something. It's the only concentrate I've gotten soapy from yet.

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by tet5uoover 9 years ago

Yes. I'm glad I only got a 10ml bottle of that to try it. Can't find a use for that soapy mess... that one and Summer Clouds are the two FA flavors that went in the bin.

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by tranceinateover 9 years agoIn a good mood for now - don't piss me off.

Same here, & I only got it because a friend requested a Lychee vape. Noooooooope. Immediately went to the bottom of my bin, & then I ended up giving it away with some TFA Mary Jane to someone who wanted to make actual Soap bars with them.

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by KR213over 9 years ago

TFA pear at 5% is ludicrously floral/soapy. At 1% it's flowery but bearable

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by jiffythekidover 9 years ago

INW Cactus >0.5%
FW Jungle Juice >6%
CAP Honeydew Melon >1.5%
FA Kiwi >3%

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by Eizoozover 9 years agoOne of "The Damned"

TFA Blackberry over 5% is a gloral perfumey mess.

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by tranceinateover 9 years agoIn a good mood for now - don't piss me off.

TFA BlackBerry should never be used over 1% - probably even .5%

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by Eizoozover 9 years agoOne of "The Damned"

yeah im aware lol i found out the hard way. ordered it early on in my mixing career, figured it was TFA so i did a 5% single flavor mix..... and it was fucking awful lol.

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by tranceinateover 9 years agoIn a good mood for now - don't piss me off.

oh god i can only imagine haha

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by poundfoolishhhover 9 years ago

TFA Rose Candy. Not even once.

1 points
 
by VapeQueen214over 9 years ago

I'm going to one up you, Flavor West Rose Tobacco. It smells like funeral and death wherever you vape it.

1 points
 
by deckartcainover 9 years ago

Most VapeWild fruit flavors has the soapy/florally effect. I remember their Pineapple, Kiwi Berry and a few others really struck me like this. They use simple single/two flavor mixes, you should be able to decode them. CAP Raspberry is extremely soapy at high concentrations (3%+).

Hope it helps.

1 points
 
by wtfdidijustdoshitover 9 years ago

TFA vbic, it's a sewage extract.

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by Hamjuiceloverover 9 years ago

I thought that vbic is the same as vanilla custard but without acetoin. (per this page http://shop.perfumersapprentice.com/flavorsworkshop/custard.html )

Which is weird because I noticed a heck of a lot of recipes in here seem to use the vanilla custard. I wonder if that makes all the difference in the taste ....

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by InsigmaTheoryover 9 years agoPâtissier

At work so I don't have my list. But off memory I can say TFA Blueberry Extra gets floral/soapy real fast.

1 points
 
by De4dSpaceover 9 years ago

FA Concord Grape is very floral.

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by tranceinateover 9 years agoIn a good mood for now - don't piss me off.

FA Concord Grape has dozens upon dozens of negative reviews. I don't remember hearing that their White Grape was that much better. Try INW Grapes, it's a blend of green & purple grapes & it's very realistic. Best grape concentrate i've found yet.

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by ryan770over 9 years ago

I recently got INW Grapes, can you recommend a percentage? I don't remember exactly what I used last time but I tried to make a Grape creamcicle and it didn't come out too great.

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by tranceinateover 9 years agoIn a good mood for now - don't piss me off.

3-4% tops, i use it at 4% in my Thugger Juice recipe.

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by ns-10over 9 years ago

TFA VBIC - mixture of soap & pepper at any %

FA JOY at any %- soap made of beer

INW Biscuit 1% upwards- A tasty biscuit, made of soap

FLV Blueberry - floral before steep, soapy after. Only used at 0.5-1%

FLV Milk & Honey - soapy after steep, have used in ranges from 1-4%

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by HocusKrokusover 9 years agoMixologist

Any of the TFA Tea concentrates get soapy when you go over 4-5% to me. TFA Hibiscus (CAP too to a lesser degree) TFA Honeysuckle over 4% TFA Cherry Blossom over 6%

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by IDontRecallBeingMadeover 9 years ago

Personally I get nothing but floral soap from Cap Harvest Berry, I've only tried it as a single mix and haven't tried incorporating it in anything else because of the soapy taste.

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by altneuroseover 9 years ago

Don't know if this helps because no exact recipes, but this just came to mind, the same plasticy/play-doh note which I would also call soapy is in all of these:

  • FA Lime Tahity Cold-Pressed - yucky notes never faded, even under 0.5% in any recipe
  • CAP Chocolate Glazed Doughnut - Bronuts was a no, at 1% with something like an 8% mix of heavy creams and vanillas (cap custard, yellow cake, bavarian cream) diluted the note.
  • CAP Lemon Meringue Pie - gone down from 15% solo to 8% in a mix (flv cream and custard, meringue, inw lemon all at 0.5-1%), note still sticks through.
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