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Deputy, a Raspberry Donut recipe
submitted over 9 years ago by _Bombies

Hi folks,

 

In the interest of full disclosure, this flavor was meant to be the 10th flavor for Predator. However, the lab reports proved that the recipe contained high traces of Acetoin, Acetyl Propionyl, and small traces of Diacetyl. The team at Predator has given me permission to release the formula to the DIY community, for scientific and research purposes. Legalese: Due to the results, I can neither recommend you vape this recipe, nor sell it to friends and family, but hope this will lead to further discussions on D/A/AP tolerances.

 

Without further ado, Deputy with notes from the Predator team:

 


 

We began this recipe by deciding on our favorite variety of donut. We agreed that chocolate frosted cake donuts are something we wanted to re-create, but also we wanted to add in a jam filling to give it a little more depth and complexity. We decided to go with raspberry for the jam as it is a fruit flavor that pairs well with chocolate. Let’s get to the recipe:

 

> 4% Capella Glazed Doughnut

> 4% Capella Chocolate Glazed Doughnut

> 2% The Flavor Apprentice Frosted Donut

> 2% Capella Vanilla Bean Ice Cream

> 0.50% FlavourArt Joy

> 2% Capella Cake Batter

> 1.50% Capella Raspberry v2

> 0.30% FlavourArt Lemon Sicily

> 0.50% The Flavor Apprentice Marshmallow

 

First, we began by trying to lock down the donut base, which proved to be more difficult than expected, even with specific donut flavorings. Capella’s Glazed Doughnut is a good flavor, but was lacking on its own. Capella’s Chocolate Glazed Doughnut was a good addition to it, we used equal parts of this and Glazed because we wanted a strong, doughy, full-bodied donut taste. While these two together tasted good, we still felt it was lacking. TFA’s Frosted Donut is not a strong enough flavor to stand on its own in a donut, but added a good accent to the base we had so far. Capella’s Cake Batter helped us lock down some of the cakiness we were looking for, while FlavourArt’s Joy added some additional bakery notes to help round out the base.

 

Next came the frosting. Capella’s CGD gave us most of what we were looking for on that front, but felt like it was lacking a little something. A small percentage of TFA Marshmallow helped to balance the chocolate taste without detracting from it.

 

From here, we felt like we had the chocolate frosted cake donut down, so we moved onto the jam filling. As I said before, raspberry and chocolate seemed like a good pairing so we went with Capella’s Raspberry V2 as it was one of the better tasting raspberries in our opinion. We kept it more in the background by keeping it’s percentage on the lower side. As a way to embellish the raspberry a little bit we added a tiny amount of FlavourArt’s Lemon Sicily, which worked to make the raspberry a bit of a brighter flavor without being able to taste the lemon.

 

At this point, we felt like it was almost there, but needed to be sweeter. Since calories don’t matter in the world of vaping, we added a bit of ice cream to sweeten the deal. Capella’s Vanilla Bean Ice Cream proved a good addition here, it does come through occasionally especially at higher wattages but for the most part helped make the whole flavor more “desserty” and sweeter. At this point, some of us felt it was sweet enough while others were craving that sweet sugar rush a real donut brings. This part is optional, but if you feel like it isn’t sweet enough at this point, you can consider adding in a few drops of Ethyl Maltol to create a more true-to-taste donut flavor.

 

Overall, we felt it was a solid take on a donut vape and are happy to be able to share the recipe with you all.

 


 

Thanks for reading everyone, and as always, vape safe!

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36 points
 
by skiddlzninjaover 9 years agoThat one moderator. You know, the honey guy.

Wow, /u/_Bombies, this is awesome. Since your men covered the development notes very thoroughly, there's no clarification needed when it comes to the recipe.

But if you don't mind me asking, what made you decide to actually share this recipe here? And, more importantly for others that are huge fans of your juice, is this an indicator that you'd be willing to share your other discontinued juices here?

Final question: have you looked into creating diketone-free recipes for the two flavors that you're phasing out, or would you rather let their legacy lie instead of risking tarnishing their name with a product that may not strike the same chord with fans?

Once again, thank you so much for posting this, I know people here are going to love it.

edit: also, shameless bump- if you enjoy discussing juice making, and sharing your thoughts with your fans, I know for a fact that DIYorDie would love to have you on the podcast some time.

17 points
 
by NotCharlesMansonover 9 years ago

How unexpectedly amazing of you <3

10 points
 
by BlueDotVaporsover 9 years ago

4% Capella Glazed Doughnut

4% ~~Capella Chocolate Glazed Doughnut~~ Maybe Capella Boston Cream Pie V2

2% ~~The Flavor Apprentice Frosted Donut~~ The Flavor Apprentice Frosted Donut DX

2% Capella Vanilla Bean Ice Cream

0.50% FlavourArt Joy

2% ~~Capella Cake Batter~~ FW Yellowcake

1.50% Capella Raspberry v2

0.30% FlavourArt Lemon Sicily

0.50% ~~The Flavor Apprentice Marshmallow~~ FA Marshmallow

Edit: Just realized that Chocolate Glazed Donut is in the reformulation process, so likely will test for at least ap. Why they would release a new flavor when they are pushing for d/ap-free flavors that likely has d/ap, is confusing. A possible replacement for Chocolate Glazed Donut would be Capella's Boston Cream Pie V2

2 points
 
by phantom240over 9 years agoPâtissier

Any reason other than availability that you're subbing those flavors out? Just curious.

4 points
 
by BlueDotVaporsover 9 years ago

The reason this flavor was not put in their line was that it tested too high for d/ap, if you sub those flavors all you will have is acetoin in it. Essentially diketone-free now.

1 points
 
by phantom240over 9 years agoPâtissier

Ah. Thanks for that.

1 points
 
by thedirtyprojectorover 9 years agoOne of "The Damned"

But the taste will probably not come close to the real thing.

7 points
 
by Charliebushover 9 years ago

Thanks for sharing this. The insight into testing and transparency in your ingredients puts you miles ahead of your competitors. Even though I typically DIY I will be ordering soon.

What is your favorite flavor? I'm going to order it so I can be more like you.

5 points
 
by _Bombiesover 9 years ago

I think Orion will be the best seller shortly, it's an undeniable Strawberry Sourbelt flavor. I think the Predator team nailed it pretty well.

8 points
 
by Xexistover 9 years ago

Orion's Belt is a giant waist of space.

1 points
 
by PandemicFluover 9 years ago

Ha!

2 points
 
by InsigmaTheoryover 9 years agoPâtissier

The question me and I'm sure u/abdada want to know... Malic, citric or tartaric acid in Orion? :)

0 points
 
by abdadaover 9 years agoI will rip you a new one if you don't use the sidebar &amp; search.

Probably all 3!

1 points
 
by Charliebushover 9 years ago

Thanks! Orion sounds like something I would like, so I just placed my order. Looking forward to try this juice.

2 points
 
by _Bombiesover 9 years ago

Thanks for the support man! I wish you all the best in your DIY adventures.

6 points
 
by abdadaover 9 years agoI will rip you a new one if you don't use the sidebar &amp; search.

#Not for human consumption.

None of us are human anyway.

This is awesome, dude, thanks! Any thoughts on what concentrate was the biggest D-A-AP aggressor?

Also thanks for the new flavors I got -- going to post a review this week! Passed it around at the vape shop on Saturday and lots of people loved it.

8 points
 
by _Bombiesover 9 years ago

> Also thanks for the new flavors I got -- going to post a review this week! Passed it around at the vape shop on Saturday and lots of people loved it.

Thanks man, looking forward to it!

> Any thoughts on what concentrate was the biggest D-A-AP aggressor?

Difficult to say, especially when a lot of these flavor manufacturers tell me their stuff is clean. 🎶 But you know how that shit go. 🎶

2 points
 
by abdadaover 9 years agoI will rip you a new one if you don't use the sidebar &amp; search.

Yeah, I am kinda bored with paying good money to have stuff analyzed and then having to fight vendors for them to cover the costs, lol.

Bombies Lab should invest in a GC/MS! I'll donate $10 to the cause, lol.

11 points
 
by _Bombiesover 9 years ago

Given how my employees handle the equipment around here, that GC/MS machine will become the most expensive paperweight I own in three weeks or less. Guaranteed™.

2 points
 
by VGClogginsover 9 years ago

I'd imagine this is one of them......

https://shop.perfumersapprentice.com/p-7653-frosted-donut-flavor.aspx?keyword=frosted+donut

0 points
 
by abdadaover 9 years agoI will rip you a new one if you don't use the sidebar &amp; search.

Yeah they make a DX version of that which I find terrible.

2 points
 
by prototrdover 9 years agoFrugivore

aren't all the DX versions terrible?

2 points
 
by phantom240over 9 years agoPâtissier

> the biggest D-A-AP aggressor?

If I had to field a guess, I'd say CAP VBIC and Cake Batter would be the most likely culprits.

1 points
 
by Sehn82over 9 years ago

CAP VBIC is in fact DA/AP safe. So are a lot of their staple creams (Bavarian, Butter, Whipped, Sweet)

source: http://international.capellaflavors.com/a-p-status/

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by phantom240over 9 years agoPâtissier

wut

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by seabterryover 9 years agoMixologist

I hope this gets answered.

1 points
 
by abdadaover 9 years agoI will rip you a new one if you don't use the sidebar &amp; search.

I've also found more diketones occurrences in flavors labeled as "no diketones added". So it doesn't come as a surprise to me.

Acetoin isn't a diketone as defined, but diacetyl can occur spontaneously in it.

4 points
 
by The_Perrycoxover 9 years agoMentholatier

This is brilliant, thank you very much! My Cold Press and Jungle are out for delivery today...along with some BoC. It's seldom I buy juice, but 'nana cream and BoC were what made me dive into DIY in the first place.

Now, how bout that ARN...

{Edit}- Holy diketones on that lab report! I bet this shit tastes delicious! Capella certainly is a naughty bunch. No wonder they've been pumping out V2's like crazy.

4 points
 
by Apexifiedover 9 years agoOne of "The Damned"

Let's see; Raspberry INW/FLV/SCE/TPA/FA... No CAP v2. Dammit. Five different versions of the "same" flavor is not enough. This DIY thing might not actually be saving me any money.

1 points
 
by ObamaNYoMamaover 9 years ago

I'm the same way I have blueberry wild (TPA) blueberry extra (tpa) bilberry(fa? Fw? Not home it's one of those) and blueberry (fw)

1 points
 
by JohnLaCuentaover 9 years ago

If you use your favorite I'm sure it'll be fine.

3 points
 
by tranceinateover 9 years agoIn a good mood for now - don't piss me off.

And that, is how you create a recipe with heart, base, & topnotes, ladies & gents.

Excellent use of additives. Beautiful post & notes, Bombies. Thank you for this.

Take notes, newbies.

3 points
 
by RedDread1973over 9 years ago

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

FYI - Will be reviewing Jungle and Cold Press soon. First impression, home run!

3 points
 
by jordan917over 9 years ago

Beautiful post.

2 points
 
by Templetamover 9 years ago

I'm beyond excited for this. Thanks, dude.

2 points
 
by JustSomeGoon_over 9 years ago

I don't buy juice very often, because I'm a broke full time college student. I'm gonna go buy a bottle of Bombies just because of this. Thank you so much.

2 points
 
by jakeecreekover 9 years ago

Thank you! I'll take all the Acetoin, Acetyl Propionyl, and Diacetyl that you don't want. :)

2 points
 
by skomlykeover 9 years ago

Thanks for the share. I own all of the predator juices except for the new juices and In fact I just cracked open Dark last night... I thought I'd hate it but it was surprisingly good and probably my favorite now out of the 5 originals. I wish I bought 120 of that!

See, we can still DIY and support good vendors :)

2 points
 
by ns-10over 9 years ago

Fantastic, thank you! What's the recommended steep time for this deadly diacetyl donut?

2 points
 
by reed89over 9 years ago

WOW THIS IS AWESOME! the community needs more vendors like you.

2 points
 
by InertiaCreepingover 9 years ago(ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻

.... Well no shit, Mike 😂😂😂


However, the lab reports proved that the recipe contained high traces of Acetoin, Acetyl Propionyl, and small traces of Diacetyl.

4% Capella Glazed Doughnut

4% Capella Chocolate Glazed Doughnut

2% The Flavor Apprentice Frosted Donut

2% Capella Vanilla Bean Ice Cream

0.50% FlavourArt Joy

2% Capella Cake Batter

1.50% Capella Raspberry v2

0.30% FlavourArt Lemon Sicily

0.50% The Flavor Apprentice Marshmallow

1 points
 
by amsage3over 9 years ago

I can't speak for any of the other flavors, but isn't Capella's VBIC supposed to be free of acetoin and acetyl propionyl? I thought that's why it was quickly becoming the preferred alternative over TFA's.

1 points
 
by xboomerover 9 years ago

Capella's posted certificate of analysis for VBIC reports that diacetyl, acetyl propionyl and acetoin are all less than 5 ppm. So yes, VBIC is essentially free. Same goes for Glazed Doughnut.

1 points
 
by FratricideV2over 9 years ago

Whats the steep time on this badboy?

1 points
 
by [deleted]over 9 years ago

Never been happier to put in a flavor order, thanks so much.

1 points
 
by AWWsteveover 9 years agoOne of "The Damned"

THANK YOU! Can't wait to try and since it was good enough for the Predator line, it's safe to say that I will enjoy the hell out of this.

1 points
 
by Dunn_Dorrover 9 years ago

I don't have that particular raspberry but will definitely try out the donut portion. Thanks!

1 points
 
by thefourthdrover 9 years ago

Thanks for sharing. I'll give it a try.

1 points
 
by stayhightilidieover 9 years agoProud Sidebar Reader!

Ah you guys rule, thank you! This isn't far off from how I like to approach dount flavors.

1 points
 
by DustyWallenover 9 years ago

Just made a 50ML bottle cant wait to see how it is after some steeping

1 points
 
by Tabbooover 9 years ago

Awesome! I'll give this a try sans chocolate.

1 points
 
by psykiover 9 years agoProud Sidebar Reader!

Awesome. Perfect timing, too. I was just about to start my third attempt at cloning I <3 Donuts.

1 points
 
by Xexistover 9 years ago

Thanks man. I dont have all these flavours but Ive got enough to take this recipe and run with it. Will let you know if I come up with anything I like :)

1 points
 
by crimson_shadowover 9 years ago

made this up at my preference of 50/50 pg/vg

Wife actualy yelled Whoa what is that it smells amazing..

taste great too as a shake n vape, raspberry is very forward in this , gona have to make another bottle to see if it calms down or if i just need to back the flavor off a little at the 50/50 ratio .. this bottle won't last the week i am sure.

  • edit * 3 days seems to be the magical number for the chocolate donut to come through and the raspberry to take a back seat*

Thank you!

1 points
 
by mindtrapperover 9 years ago

Let's say I don't have frosted donut and cake batter. Would FW Yellow cake be an acceptable (taste wise) alternative?

Will it provide a replacement for both flavors combined or would I need to add some FA Meringue (or Torrone perhaps) for the frosting?

Thank you!

1 points
 
by TheSerialVapistover 9 years ago

Anyone have a steep time on this??

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by stininjaover 9 years ago

I'm pretty sure Bombies gave ecx the ole reddit hug of death

5 points
 
by ECX_FlavorLabover 9 years agoMixologist

I'm lost O_o

2 points
 
by _Bombiesover 9 years ago

My apologies, didn't know you hung out here too!

2 points
 
by ECX_FlavorLabover 9 years agoMixologist

Haha no need! Cheers!

1 points
 
by stininjaover 9 years ago

I kept getting a timeout message while the page was loading, it was sending me to a page that wanted me to put in my info and send a message.

3 points
 
by _Bombiesover 9 years ago

~~Try GremlinDIY.com, I always support my local Reddit vendors first.~~

Try both!

1 points
 
by stininjaover 9 years ago

I just did an order with a few weeks ago! Still waiting for a few flavors to come back in stock with them.

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