Good idea! No one will ever read it.

I recall someone saying that the sidebar is at its limits. If there asking that question they already haven't read the sidebar. Good idea but it's counterproductive. All they literally need to do is use the search bar

>* Speed steeped / breathed your juice? Go mix it up again and try again

This almost every time

Write it up & we'll put it in the wiki. Sidebar is jam-packed.

I think a stickied place to keep these conversations would be a great Idea.

edit: ignore this, i'm writing this up but i g2g so this is a WIP obviously

"Faint Flavoring" and How to Fix It

A common issue that people have when beginning to DIY is that their juice has little to no flavor and its hard to taste even simple flavors like strawberry. This can be a source of great frustration and unfortunately has many possible causes.

The three biggest causes of this issue are:

• Overflavoring
• Vaper's Tongue
• Incorrect Steeping

I will discuss each of these in depth and address a few other potential causes.

Overflavoring

E-juice flavoring can be counter intuitive because with most flavors , increasing your flavor percentage past a certain point will actually reduce your perception of the flavor. Here is chart of an example flavor and how this might look in practice:

Flavor Percent|Perceived Strength :-:|:-: 1-3|weak 4-5|mild 6-9|strong 10-12|mild 13-15|weak 16+|very weak

now this chart may vary slightly from person to person, and it will vary a lot from flavor to flavor, but it is an important principle to be aware of.

This means that when you try to mix up a recipe, be aware of your different flavorings and what their respective "sweet spots" are. One good way to find a starting percentage is to use elr and search for the flavor you're trying to use. From this you can find information on single flavor percentages to get an idea of how concentrated your flavor is (Hint: sort by # of recipes).

For recipes that use primarily CAP and TFA brand flavorings, try to keep your flavor total around 8-14%. If your recipe has 20% total flavoring and doesn't taste like anything, it's most likely overflavoring.

One thing for the search advocates to note, it's not always clear what people should be searching for when is a total newbie involved. I agree more searching should be done but sometimes you just don't know how to our words to what you are experiencing

Well, since there are a ton of these kind of threads all over this sub, they could easily be found by using the search bar. The first rule on the sidebar says to read the sidebar. The second rule says to use the search function before posting. If people just followed the rules they would find the threads where people have had the same problems as them.

Thanks for putting this together! I mostly lurk here, but I started mixing a few months ago and have run into this issue a few times. I think that overusing Ripe Banana has contributed to a lot of my failed recipes. I have to remember to keep my percentages lower, too. I tend to get overzealous and end up closer to 20% a lot of the time.

Centralized solution: use the search

Or we could just delete the posts and tell the person to search it. Those types of questions should be put in the new mixer's questions threads every Monday.

I've been leaving them because I don't want to over-moderate this place, but the problem with a low-submission subreddit like this is that voting doesn't hide any posts because a post from today with 0 score will be above a post from two days ago with 150 points. If you guys want these posts removed, please feel free to report them, since using the search function is rule #2.

Probably a good thread to ask.. say u have a recipe that comes out to 22% flavour - pretty high but it tastes alright. Instead of lowering individual flavour percentages, it would achieve the same result if u made a base, and mixed that same base at 15%? I guess that would net the same result - or is there something else going on where you'd tweak individual flavour percents to drop the total?