Some of you guys may know I've been looking into this since a few months ago. It started when I received TFA Peanut Butter indirectly from the source, and found that my usual PB recipes tasted much different. They were flat, dull, and no amount of steeped helped. I sourced out the problem and found TFA PB was the culprit. This flavoring was generally the same in smell and color, but the flavor itself was very muted. That graininess I found from using it earlier was especially not there. So I decided to check out other vendors and see if there was a difference in the flavorings. Well there was. Every bottle of TFA PB was different. One was way too weak, one had almost no flavor but tons of "grain", one was fine but the flavor would fall off after a day, and another was perfect. But the main issue I found between them all was the flavor itself. It was very inconsistent.
Then the Bronuts fiasco hit and I was getting tons of messages from people claiming their recipes tasted one way, and others tasting a different way, and tons were saying how harsh the recipe was. I knew it wasn't the recipe, because every bottle I made tasted great to me and I have many people who can say the same. So we figured it was the CAP CGD. There was a problem where some bottles of CAP CGD were just...bad. I came to the conclusion that maybe since the ingredient wasn't as popular before Bronuts came out, when the hype picked up vendors started selling old stock of it and unfortunately maybe this old stock went bad. Ordering direct from CAP helped many peoples recipes, and there's recorded proof of it. Then after ordering one of my re-up batches, I found 3 of my flavorings were off. The profiles those ingredients were giving were not matching up to my notes. After testing, these 3 flavorings had a flavor that would fall off after a day or so, and they also did not taste the way they are supposed to. TFA Cheesecake Graham, TFA Strawberry, and FA Fresh Cream. In terms of flavor, TFA Cheesecake tasted as if coconut was added in, TFA Strawberry was harsh and had a very artificial flavor to it, and FA Fresh Cream tasted "spoiled". Replacing these ingredients was all I needed to do to get the flavor I was expecting. Luckily only having to replace them one time.
These were all flavorings I had been using for quite sometime and know exactly how they are supposed to taste. I'm being very observant now a days to the quality of the ingredients I'm getting in. I will let anyone know if I have had any issues with a flavoring should you ask, but so far all of those I listed have had the most notable changes. Now I'm no scientist, or chemist, so I have no idea why this inconsistency is happening. Am I right about old flavorings? Is it the way these flavorings are made that subjects them to a varying product? Is it poor storage by vendors? Is it only certain aromas that are subject to this? I don't know and I would hope that someone smarter than me can figure this out.
But this is an issue I think needs to be known. For someone like me where my livelihood is my recipes, it hurts when someone mixes something up and what they are tasting is something I did not intend. And if you're a mixer, I'm sure you want a product that you paid for to be what you're expecting. So I just want anyone reading this to be aware that this is a known issue when buying flavorings. If you're finding that your recipes that you've tried many times are tasting a little "off" or a little different, try testing your flavorings because that's most likely the issue. Also, I'm sure any vendor will replace your ingredients if you explain to them the situation, I know it's worked for me. But before doing this make sure that it is indeed a problem with your flavorings. If you're new and you have no experience with that flavor, talk to someone who does and see if what they get from it is what you're tasting before calling your vendor. I also found that ordering direct from the manufacturers does alleviate this issue, to some degree. There are still some flavoring inconsistencies but they are pretty subtle. Another thing is, I'm not going to name any vendors specifically but I can say that I've had this problem with most of the main flavoring vendors.
So lastly, I just want to say that this issue isn't a massive one. I'm constantly buying flavorings and out of all of them only a tiny fraction of them turned out to be less than stellar. You might have never even run into this problem, and hopefully it stays that way. These vendors do a really good job at supplying us these ingredients at a low cost and with fast shipping. I just wanted to bring some awareness to the problem so that if you do run into this issue, you might have a solution. KEEP MIXING!
I think the main problem could be the way certain companies rebottle the flavors. I'm guessing that they don't shake the bulk flavor before rebottling, so the flavor varies widely from bottles at the beginning and end of this bulk flavor.
The "bottle shaking" issue is a fantastic point. I have ingrained the importance of this step within our production facilities. QC, QC, QC!!!
I'm glad that everyone has had such a positive experience.
We don't even allow the flavor to sit long enough to separate between putting it in bottles. "Re-mixing" occurs several times throughout the pouring process. check out my mixtape
DIng ding ding. I'm almost certain this is the cause. Some flavors must settle (or otherwise tend to inhomogeneity) more than others because I have yet to get two batches of TFA Peanut Butter that are identical. Even from TFA. I've corresponded with them and they swear up & down the recipe hasn't changed, so if that's true it's just about mixing before dispensing.
I can vouch for my Gremlins... shaking flavoring is VERY important or there will definitely be "bad" flavors. There are a few of them that you can see layers in the bottle. :)
That being said... at the moment, I am not selling TPA Raspberry because there is something horribly wrong with the flavor. I thought we had a bad batch, so I ordered more and the replacements arrived with a different batch number, but it still tastes just rancid. I don't know what to say here, but I know it happens. Oh yeah, there is a bottle of Candy Cane from Flavor West in my office that I've been meaning to call them about for over a month now. It arrived and was immediately pulled as it is NOT candy cane! LOL
If you EVER get a flavor from a company that tastes bad or off, write them and let them know! It doesn't happen very often, but it does happen.
Mr Gremlin!
How has the consistently been overall with your Flavor West shipments? I know with ours, I'm still trying to figure out how the batch numbers on their concentrates stay the same over the course of "years" - and in some cases why the colors of flavorings will arrive a completely different color than the previous one on a regular basis.
Just wanted to make sure I'm not alone ;)
EDIT* We also regularly receive bottles of concentrate that are clearly NOT what they are labeled.
Seconded. Earlier last year I bought 120mL of Cap Harvest Berry after hearing great things about it. I read it was a strong flavor, but I could hardly smell the bottle I received. In mixes it was completely absent at any percentage. I've only now realized it was a dud after getting a sample of the same flavor from another vendor this week. The difference is night and day!
This is why I haven't even tried to use TFA Peanut Butter in the last 6 months or so. I've noticed it with the CAP CGD as well. FA Meringue had that problem last November or so. I ordered some with my first order around August of 2014. Two months later, it wasn't the same airy, sugary goodness. I've ordered a shit ton since then, and it's never tastes as good as it was with that first bottle. No clue what happened, but it's different now. Even straight from FA.
I think HIC posted about the FA Meringue issue specifically. Here's the quote from his "My Notes On..." page:
Since mid-2014 or so, new batches of this flavor taste like well-baked, caramelized meringue from the top of a meringue pie. (It was previously like crisp, airy, white meringue cookies that dissolve in your mouth). Beware mixing Meringue with subtle fruit flavors, which it can overwhelm. In recipes with nut flavors, strong spices, and some coffee recipes, Meringue is an ideal sweetener.
I noticed this specifically because I want to mix a "crisp, airy white meringue cookie" flavor with my MF Jasmine (that jasmine is my go-to ADV), because it's the sweetener that works most ideally with that flavor. As it stands now, I have to start experimenting with some Cotton Candy and Marshmallow flavors to see what works. FA meringue isn't bad, per se, it just steps on the jasmine in a way that I don't particularly care for.
EDIT: anyone know if TPA's meringue is closer to that crisp, dry, airy powdered-sugar feel?
I haven't used TFA Meringue too much (I was way late to that party ;) ), but it seems to lean to the "light and airy" side more than the "toasted pie topping" side. Like I said, I haven't experimented with it as much as I'd like, but I think you'll like it. TFA's Toasted Marshmallow has a much more pronounced toasted flavor to me, if that comparison helps at all.
I have only been DIYing full time for the last few months so I haven't purchased enough batches of flavors to notice inconsistencies. I do have flavors that I purchased over a year ago when I started getting into DIY but stopped. I have been comparing them to their replacements that I purchased because I thought they were going to be bad and I'm noticing little to no difference I've only been through a few so far but I will be testing more.