In honor of celebrating the arrival of 2016, I am happy to finally be releasing my recipe for "Vicious Vanilla".
As many have requested this over the past several months, I feel it's only right to start 2016 off right with the release of this recipe.
History: This recipe began as a quest to discover a vanilla cream base that would work well in a variety of circumstances. After testing this base on it's ~12th variation as a standalone, I realized that it had a ton of merit to stand on it's own. You can find some other development notes from when I first discussed this about 18 months ago here.
Vicious Vanilla
3.5% CAP Vanilla Custard V1 (my preference over V2 although V2 is excellent as well after a ~30 day steep IMPO)
2.25% TFA Vanilla Swirl
1.5% FA Vienna Cream
1.5% TFA Bavarian Cream
1.5% FA Catalan Cream
1% FA Vanilla Classic
0.25% CAP Cinnamon Danish Swirl
Steep and Use: Allow at least a 1 week period to steep/age/homogenize/whateverthefuckyouwanttocallit. If you use Vanilla Custard V2, allow 30 days. This recipe really is best IME after 30 days, gets better at 90 days, and is truly a gem after 6 months but good luck waiting that long. Goes excellently with your morning coffee, or if you prefer a more subtle, ADV that isn't super sweet and isn't fruity, it may work for you there as well. I will admit that I had a recipe similar to this when I first got into DIY and it was the first ever non-fruity mix that became an ADV for me.
Development: I began making slight adjustments to boost it's own profile without injecting any fruit flavors into it (which had been my original intention). After trying a variety of spices, cinnamon, other more flavorful back notes (TFA Pie Crust, Graham Cracker, CAP GC, etc) this is where I eventually settled.
The addition of Catalan Cream and CDS really set this recipe over the top for me as differentiating it from a straight vanilla vape without masking the vanilla with too much other flavor. I didn't want the cinnamon and Mediterranean spices to overtake the subtle vanilla profile. I also wanted to ensure that this recipe could survive as an ADV without the accumulation of vapers tongue.
Feel free to boost total flavor percentage up to as high as 12.5% without vapers tongue (add 10% to each of the above).
Happy New Years Everyone and have a prosperous 2016.
Edit: 1/3/16 - I forgot to mention one potential substitute for those interested. If you want it a bit sweeter, try substituting TFA Vanillin at the same percentage for the FA Vanilla Classic.
Just when I thought you had released them all. I have all of these and I'm going to make 500mL of this and I'm drunk as shit and I fucking love you.
Groovy! I'm missing the Catalan Cream and Vanilla Classic, but I think I'll try some variants with Holy Vanilla / FLV Vanilla Custard. Will report back if successful.
The Catalan Cream is an essential component for the background spices that is Vicious Vanilla. Definitely feel free to try with what you have on hand though, just don't expect the same result!
I figured as much, but I'll tailor it to my liking. It's nice for a new mixer to use recipes like this one as a starting point. I've been wanting a sweet, creamy vanilla, so thanks for the inspiration. I'm seeing meringue in my future...
Sounds great! Can't wait to try it in 6 months :)
Does it work well at max VG?
Ive' come to really like the 3.50% percentage point for CAP Vanilla Custard (I typically use the V2, V1 for the indulgences). Interesting to see you using it here. The citrus/spice notes in catalan cream should help cut through the density of the mix and give it a lot of depth, as well as cinnamon danish swirl giving it a bit of a bakery nuance and filling in the gap left for something of a crust/bread/nutty note to give it a little extra richess.
Nice mix, happy new year botboy!
hope you have a wonderful New Year botboy ( everyone else too!) just day before yesterday i was going thru your post for the cream base , i was planning to mix it today and i see this , what a way to start the new year :) i am mixing 500 ml of this, i dont think i have enough FA vanilla classic for that, i will mix two batches one with vanilla tahiti instead of classic....you are loved!
So do you age this then just add in your nic later? or do you rest with nic already mixed?
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logged on today to see if any nice, kind, decent premium vendor had released any quality recipes, failed with my criteria, tho i guess this will do for now :-) only kidding, many thanks Botboy, wishing you a healthy wealthy happy 2016 from all our lot across the pond
Sounds awesome, must try! Happy new year and cheers for this! :D
Actually had everything for a change, but realized my Cinnamon Danish Swirl is V2, does it matter at all? I'll assume the cinnamon will be roughly the same strength. Also realized I hadn't opened it before, now my house smells of cinnamon.
NICE WORK!! You posted something very close to this on ELR around a year or so ago. That base helped me to understand how different vanilla's can work successfully! At first I thought there was two many different flavors and it would come out bland, but after making this recipe my understanding of vanilla was completely changed. I use they base design you posted on ELR, for custards, creams, milkshakes, and vanilla yogurts. I would replace ONE THING, cinn danish with FW tres leche at .5%. They Best back note I ever discovered for cream!
Though I've lurked here for a very long time, I just wanted to come by and say that this absolutely delectable juice has been by ADV since you posted it here Botboy. I generally do 4 x 120 ml and keep the last bottle steeping for as long as possible. I've got one that is about 2 months going and it is getting increasingly harder and harder not to open it up and vape that bad boy. I'm trying hard not to and keeping it steeping for the whole 6 months.
Thank you very much for this! This has been absolutely amazing!
I made 120ml of this last night and it is the only ejuice with cinnamon in it that I actually like! I am curious if you had any variations without CDS? I feel like it would miss something if I just left it out and didn't substitute it for some other flavor. Let me know if you have any suggestions, i'll try and few random things in the mean time.
Also i'm thinking of trying it with CDS at .10% or just a few drops.
One of the earlier variations was identical to the above but without the CDS. I don't remember who but someone mentioned in the threads to the "Delicious Vanilla" OP to try it with some CDS and I did and it was good =). Could maybe trying a little Vanilla Cupcake in there instead as I think that could play well @ 2-3%.
thanks for sharing this! i made it with the boost to 12.5% flavor using the recipe just as posted with a 65vg/35pg ratio and it is outstanding. its now one of my favorite 2 recipes.
edit: I guess i should say i liked it right away as a shake and vape a month ago and its even better now. a lot of recipes seem to suffer from age and get weird but this one just got a little richer and smoother.
WOW! i just recently started diy and one of the main reasons I started was to make an ADV like this one. After holding off for a month to try this I am simply blown away at how awesome this tastes. I took your suggestion and made it at the 10% increase for each flavor. Of course I only made 15 mls but today I will make 240 mls without the nic (adding it in later). I have a couple questions though... 1) if I try it at the original percentages, and in a month I like it better with the extra 10%, I assume I could add in the extra 10%, but would you suggest I wait another month or would the steep time be less since the original percentages had already steeped a month?
2) If i wait a month to add the nic how much longer (if at all) would I need to wait to vape it? Does the nic have to steep in an already steeped juice?
Thank you so much for this delicious recipe! And although I am late to the game, Happy New Year!
> 1) if I try it at the original percentages, and in a month I like it better with the extra 10%, I assume I could add in the extra 10%, but would you suggest I wait another month or would the steep time be less since the original percentages had already steeped a month?
Just a couple extra days for the additional flavor to meld with the rest should be fine.
> 2) If i wait a month to add the nic how much longer (if at all) would I need to wait to vape it? Does the nic have to steep in an already steeped juice?
Probably a better question for /u/abdada. I know he frequently adds nic post steep time, I do not.