prohibition is coming. giants will fall. and from the ashes will rise an organized crime ring of juice slanging motorcycle riding ninjas. a war between the ATF, juice fiends, and bootleggers will rage and profits will skyrocket for the brave few willing to spit in the face of the nanny state. general suggestions?
EDIT: kinda joking but also semi-curious how this would operate and whether you guys think anyone of authority would bother to look into it? what kinds of risks would be involved in selling juice like this p2p?
- Propylene Glycol USP
- Vegetable Glycerin USP
- Flavorings
- Nicotine
- Leather armor and sawn off shotguns
- Lab equipment and bottles with lables
Pretty simple stuff really.
Also get a RV.
already converted a Ford E-150 to an RV complete with off-grid solar power and an exhaust fan from my r/vandwellers days. could probably do the same to an armored vehicle.
I've got a motorcycle, but my shotgun isn't sawed off. I'm most of the way there, there.
> Juice slanging, motorcycle riding ninja.
LMAO I hope you aren't making fun of my 81 'zuki
I've been doing martial arts for 15+yrs, but no motorcycle. Together we could be unstoppable.
Ask a stoner. We know how to hide shit better than anyone else.
Well, I don't know if I'll be going full out bootleg nic slanger but I know acquiring large amounts of nicotine is a seriously important step. It's a small start but I just ordered 500ml of 100mg from Liquid Barn last night. Just gotta figure out how to long term store it. I don't have the means for argon at this point so I didn't order more than that. While I only sell to a few friends currently, having pre-prohibition nic will help me keep cost down and profits up not to mention keeping my own supply in shape.
This is all I'm doing for long-term storage. Should keep for years.
https://www.reddit.com/r/DIY_eJuice/comments/3lu9gx/nicotine_need_to_know_all_your_questions_answered/
Glass bottles in the freezer, seems like the safest bet. At the time I ordered my 500ml I also ordered 8x60ml bottles with caps.
Helium is actually just as inert as Argon, and it's cheaper.
Although you can get Pirates Preserve argon-spray in a bottle for just shy of $10 shipped on amazon.
The Perfumer/Flavor Apprentice started out as a small shop where ladies would come in to mix their own perfume. This would be the perfect front.
I knew a online juice seller in the states that would ship juice to countries that it was illegal; they literally had different labels to place on their juice for those countries. They fronted that the juice was "fragrance oils"; you know, like the kind you put in the little oil burners to make your house smell nice.
We could all be selling "fragrance oils" and label it as "not for human consumption". Lol
How do you explain the nicotine then?
Read the sidebar.
looked but there's not a single article on the best way to evade ATF agents nor any strategies on gathering old stock from B&Ms for street level resale
I think this post was satire. At least I hope it was...
mostly satire yes, but black market juice seems like an inevitability if worst case scenario regulations pan out
Totally. When things become to hard to get, impossible to get (legally), or to expensive to get the traditional way; a black market pops up almost instantly.
That reminds me, we are being targeted because we use a "tobacco" product. Our nicotine comes from tobacco; although nicotine exists in other things (egg plant, tomatoes, potatoes). Yet it's to expensive and not economically feasible to extract it yet from those thing. I saw a brand new juice line that contains nicotine that doesn't come from tobacco.... So how the hell could that be considered a "tobacco" product? It can't, and I'm sure (after a long and ugly fight) that could be proven in federal court. Then we wouldn't be subject to tobacco taxes and other stupid laws.
I bet nicotine from other plants tastes a hella lot better than from tobacco too. Can't remember the name of that new juice line, and from the small amount of info I saw on it, they wouldn't say where the nicotine was extracted from.
But I think if our industry completely removed all tobacco extracted nicotine, we would have some more leverage. I'm not saying it's gonna be an overnight kill shot from vapers to the FDA, government, and politicians. But at some point people are gonna realize how stupid it would be to consider vaping as tobacco when it literally has zero connection to tobacco.
Anyway, I'm rambling. Gotta go try and fix my PC, or Ive just lost all my recipes (small amount I actually do have, or am working on).
Since you edited: What kind of risks would be involved?
Uh, the same kind of risks as selling cannabis p2p.
Sorta feel like cops would be on top of 'drugs' but maybe eJuice would fall into a gray area that they maybe wouldn't be up on. At least for a little while... I guess it would depend on the size of the operation tho.
Well if you're actually intending to sell liquid after prohibition, be sure to keep it small-scale or the IRS might get on your case. There's gonna be the risk of being fined ridiculous amounts, but honestly if these regulations go through it's every man for himself. I'd say just stock up and make your own supply for a long time.
is something happening in the US that the rest of the vaping world doesnt know about ?
More like there IS something happening in the US vape world that EVERYONE except YOU knows about.
It's kinda happening through the EU too
what IS happening ?
the last I heard is that the UK produced a report that vaping is 95% safer than smoking and they were going to put it on the NHS to get people off the smokes.
From May 2016 Article 20 of the Tobacco Products Directive comes into play throughout the whole EU.
Amongst other things, this limits juice bottles to 10ml size and tank sizes to 2ml. Oh, and they have to be completely "leak-free" when refilling, so basically cigalike cartridges are all that counts currently.
There's a whole load of other stuff too such as cigarette style warnings on packaging and 6 month approval times for new products to market. Read up on TPD to find all the ridiculous regulations that are included.
Basically, in six months, vaping as we know it in the EU is finished.
As for the UK report, it was never the case that NHS would give them out, just that the public health body who published that report considered it as a possible recommendation. However, TPD was already legislated for May 2016 long before that report came out.