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Why did I wait so long before starting to mix my own juice?
submitted almost 10 years ago by jersey_emt

I had toyed with the idea of mixing my own juice for well over a year now, having never pulled the trigger for a few reasons, such as thinking it would be a hassle, that I would never be able to come even close to the quality of "premium" commercial juice, that good recipes would necessarily be quite complex, requiring many ingredients in small, delicately balanced percentages...things like that. But I finally decided to give it a try, so I spent around $150 buying syringes, plenty of bottles, fifteen 30 mL bottles of flavoring, and enough VG and nicotine to last probably 2 years (a gallon of VG was only a couple of dollars more than a liter, and the same with nicotine -- 250 mL of 60 mg/mL nic was only a few dollars more than 120 mL).

 

They were all delivered Monday afternoon, so that means I've spent all of two days mixing. Now I'm hooked, and am kicking myself for not starting months ago. I had been going through around 5 mL of juice a day, and was spending on average $15 for each 30 mL bottle. So around $80 each month for juice including shipping. I was incredibly "stingy" with my juice -- I like to change the wicks on my RDA's at least once a day, and always was sure to vape every last drop before pulling the old wicks, taking shorter and shorter pulls until even a 1/2 second pull started to taste burnt. I even "primed" new wicks with unflavored VG before dripping precious flavored juice, because even if you vape the wicks almost completely dry, you can't get every last bit out. I wouldn't change wicks to switch flavors, just to save a few drops of juice.

 

Now that what I mix only costs a couple of pennies per mL, I don't even bother vaping the wicks dry if I want to change flavors. The deck could be almost full and I'll just pull the wicks and rinse out the RDA. This alone -- not having to worry about pouring a mL or two down the drain when changing wicks -- makes mixing worth it.

 

But I'm also very surprised at how easy it is to make very tasty juice. I started out by mixing a 5 mL batch of each individual flavor I bought in order to get a good idea of how everything tastes on its own. To my amazement, many of the flavors I choose are excellent just by itself! My very first multi-ingredient mix (8.5% TFA Berry Crunch, 3.5% TFA Bavarian Cream, 2.0% TFA Graham Cracker Clear) ended up tasting better than the commercial Cap'n Crunch with Crunch Berries juice I've been vaping a lot of recently. And that's just with one day of steeping!

 

I know I'll probably end up mixing a lot of "duds", many of which will not even be vapable and end up going down the drain (I got lucky with my first recipe). But tossing a 10 mL sample of a bad recipe only costs a few cents, so what does it matter?

 

So to anyone reading this, if you are browsing this subreddit trying to decide whether to start mixing your own juice, absolutely go for it! Even if it turns out that you are absolutely horrible at creating your own recipes, there are countless great recipes made by very talented mixers listed here. And if you don't have the ingredients needed to make those recipes, you can still whip up batches of juice with just one or two flavors that will be good or even great.

 

From the boundless wisdom imparted on us mere mortals by the exalted Nike.... Just Do It!

 

EDIT: Another good effect of starting to mix my own juice is that I'm moving back to dual coil builds (and the higher wattages they allow). I've been vaping almost exclusively on single coil builds, typically a 2.5 mm diameter 0.7 ohm single coil with 24 gauge Kanthal running at 30 - 35 watts. Going above 45 watts or thereabouts on single coil builds, even with twisted wire or parallel builds, can be tricky, but is dead simple with dual coil builds because you have twice the wicking action.

 

I used single coils because dual coils burn through juice quite a bit quicker, but you don't seem to get double the amount of vapor or flavor. Many of my RDA's also have no single-coil airflow option, so I had to resort to sticking a piece of electrical tape on the outside of the barrel blocking the airflow holes on one side, or in the case of my Holmes V2, shoving a piece of cotton down one of the vertical airflow "tubes" coming up out of the deck. Not exactly the prettiest or most elegant solution. But now that juice is so cheap, it doesn't matter if I burn through tons of it using dual coils at 60 watts. Now I am considering buying a more powerful regulated mod (my MVP 3.0 Pro "only" goes up to 60 watts), although I could just start using my mechanical mods more often now if I want to go up to ~80 watts or so -- a 0.2 ohm coil on a fresh battery gives 88.2 watts, factor in voltage drop and it's probably around 75-80 watts, and 0.2 ohms is the lowest I feel comfortable with, even though my Sony VTC4 & VTC5 batteries can go a bit lower.

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15 points
 
by workerbee41almost 10 years ago

Now buy a scale, ditch those syringes, and be amazed once again at the ease of mixing :)

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by shipunalmost 10 years ago

would scales be recommended considering i usually mix 15-30ml of juice?

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by Sheepdog707almost 10 years agoMixologist

Yes, especially smaller batches. Far more accurate.

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by workerbee41almost 10 years ago

Yeah, exactly. If you think you're only going to stay at that size you can get a 100g/0.01g scale on Amazon for less than ten bucks like I did. I then immediately wished I'd spent the extra 15-20 on a scale with a higher weight limit so I could do 120ml bottles rather than a bunch of 30ml at once.

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by dephillips1977almost 10 years ago

Yes. A scale with 0.01 grams of precision would work nicely with those sizes. 0.1g would work too in a pinch (though will obviously result in less accurate measurements). I bought the scale and droppers / yorker spouts for all of my flavor bottles a few months ago, and will never go back. Not only is it faster, but I don't have to keep cleaning syringes or deal with contaminating flavors with other flavors. It also seems a lot more sanitary since no foreign objects are coming into contact with the individual ingredients.

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by workerbee41almost 10 years ago

I really don't recommend a 0.1g scale for small batches. Your percentages would be way off for more potent flavors.

1 points
 
by COGNACnDOUGHNUTSalmost 10 years ago

Scales work best when you already know what ratio to flavors right? I have scales, but haven't mixed anything ever.

1 points
 
by workerbee41almost 10 years ago

Well you need to know your ratios whether you're mixing by weight or volume (syringes)

Weight is much much much easier/more reliable.

1 points
 
by COGNACnDOUGHNUTSalmost 10 years ago

Off to the sidebar I go..

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by wizzlezimalmost 10 years ago

When mixing by weight, how do you get exact grams per flavor? In other words, say you're aiming for 2g of Flavor1, and each drop from whatever container you're dripping from is 0.3g. You get my point. So you either have to choose 1.8g or 2.1g.

Is it just a caveat of mixing by weight?

1 points
 
by workerbee41almost 10 years ago

Flavor drops don't weigh anything near that, so you're in no danger of being so far off on your percentages. You very quickly get a feel for how much you need to squeeze out, you don't even need to be that careful, which is why mixing by weight is so much quicker than by volume. Maybe you'll be off by 0.01%, no big deal.

Here, just watch Wayne's video, that's what pushed me into buy a scale and switching. Sometimes you just need to see how easy something is to believe it :)

1 points
 
by wizzlezimalmost 10 years ago

Sweet. Yeah I'm awaiting my scale. This was pretty much my only "doubt". Thanks!

6 points
 
by shipunalmost 10 years ago

agreed. even till now sometimes my mixes are a little off cos I use different brands as substitutes. but the entire process of DIY-ing and unknowingly create something that tastes so good. Love that feeling!

3 points
 
by jaylowgeealmost 10 years ago

The only time I've bought juice since starting DIY was because it was 5 dollars...

I did get close to buying some Muffin Man the other day...but i shrugged it off and used the flavor as inspiration instead. Ive also started selling 30ml for $5; not to make a profit, but to help out some friends with some cheap, custom made juice.

1 points
 
by MrM0stlyalmost 10 years ago

Very cool of you to share your creations :)

1 points
 
by jizzMusicianalmost 10 years ago

Don't worry, I bought muffin man and its too sweet and plastic tasting. DIY is much better

2 points
 
by jonsmiff728almost 10 years ago

Muffin man tastes like shit. I'm choking it down as we speak bc I don't want to waste $60. Needless to say it's also why I bought DIY supplies today to start making my own shit lol.

2 points
 
by Daztasticalmost 10 years ago

Great post! Welcome to the dark side...and whatever you do (if you haven't already), read the sidebar - it will save you a lot of grief 😀

2 points
 
by occassionallyifalmost 10 years ago

You might even get to the point where everything is vapable but you'll still toss it because its not up to par with your other recipes or its not how you wanted it.

2 points
 
by bananlaksalmost 10 years ago

Not happened to me. I never throw away juice! Even those who taste horrible! I know that some day...some day they might come in handy.

1 points
 
by occassionallyifalmost 10 years ago

I have a limited supply of reusable bottles though. Thats my concern. I already have a bunch just sitting there in my dark box and the few bottles avaible for my rotation better be decent or they'll just get emptied and prepd for new recipes.

1 points
 
by bananlaksalmost 10 years ago

Just buy new ones? You can get like 10 bottles for $1

1 points
 
by slowlycatchymonkeyalmost 10 years ago

If I knew of a good unicorn milk clone I'd buy the diy stuff right now

6 points
 
by strycorealmost 10 years ago

try this, it's supposed to be the real stuff: http://e-liquid-recipes.com/recipe/255064/INTERNAL+LEAK+OF+CUTWOOK+UNICORN+MILK

2 points
 
by slowlycatchymonkeyalmost 10 years ago

Thanks! You've just cost me a fortune!!

3 points
 
by mrcoolbpalmost 10 years agoMixologist

> Thanks! You've just ~~cost~~ saved me a fortune!!

FTFY

2 points
 
by skiddlzninjaalmost 10 years ago

The flavor falls off after 3 days. It's not the actual recipe, but a close approximation that just doesn't steep well into the flavor.

1 points
 
by slowlycatchymonkeyalmost 10 years ago

Fair few ingredients there!

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by kepiinskiialmost 10 years ago

(TPA) version here if it helps at all. Got it in a subtank now, tastes great though I've not tasted the original so couldn't compare. http://e-liquid-recipes.com/recipe/121795/Mother%2527s+Unicorn+Milk

1 points
 
by jarchackalmost 10 years ago

I've been putting off DIY for a while and your post convinced me to get started. I'm not on a super tight budget but I absolutely will not pay $20+ for 30ml of juice. The cheaper juices like MBV or VapeWild are tolerable but I know I can make better.

Where did you get the bulk of your supplies? And like mentioned below, I'm going to start with a decent scale as well.

2 points
 
by jersey_emtalmost 10 years ago

Heartland Vapes DIY kit ($60, bunch of syringes, bunch of bottles -- ten each of 5 mL, 10 mL, and 30 mL, five 30 mL bottles of flavoring, and small bottles of PG, VG, and 48 mg/mL nic), and ten additional 30 mL bottles of flavoring.

RTS Vapes for 1 gallon of VG and 250 mL of 60 mg/mL nicotine. I would have bought everything from Heartland Vapes but they only sell nicotine in 1 liter and 1 gallon sizes, way too much. Even the 250 mL of nicotine will last me almost 2 years.

2 points
 
by vibraslapchopalmost 10 years ago

you absolutely should get into DIY. I've posted my story in many comments but how I got inspired was watching this idiot kid at a local B&M pull up a recipe online, and use 1 syringe (without cleaning or any rinsing!) mix up a bottle of Tiger's Blood for me and then charge me $18.

2 points
 
by jarchackalmost 10 years ago

I wouldn't mind buying juice if it was priced reasonably but the profit margin is insanely high. I guess that's why there are 15 million e-juice vendors now.

1 points
 
by vibraslapchopalmost 10 years ago

yeah, that's a big part of it too. plus, I know when the last time I washed my hands was. dude behind the counter? who knows?

1 points
 
by skiddlzninjaalmost 10 years ago

If you don't mind MBV and just want some quick, easy juice, MBV uses Flavorwest flavors at like 5-10% for all their juices. Literally just diluted FW flavors.

1 points
 
by jarchackalmost 10 years ago

I usually ordered bulk from them and it was pretty inexpensive (relatively) but I'd like to make my own clones of the more expensive stuff.

2 points
 
by skiddlzninjaalmost 10 years ago

Then buy Capella. Most of the juices out now use Capella almost exclusively; it gives the juices that sickly-sweet flavor that makes me want to vomit.

1 points
 
by matty-smallsalmost 10 years ago

What is the advantage of using a scale and how do you go about using it to obtain the right flavor percentages?

5 points
 
by IDSMBalmost 10 years ago

This should cover everything you need to know:

https://www.reddit.com/r/DIY_eJuice/comments/2iq3km/botboy141_guide_to_mixing_by_weight/

:-)

1 points
 
by matty-smallsalmost 10 years ago

Thanks so much!

1 points
 
by IDSMBalmost 10 years ago

No problem at all, that guide helped me a lot :-)

1 points
 
by RoadSurferalmost 10 years ago

Thanks for the encouragement, I'm going to do it, I know I will.

I just have to spread my purchases out a bit...

Anyway, it's stories like this that make me determined to eventually get the materials and my my own.

2 points
 
by skiddlzninjaalmost 10 years ago

You're doing the right thing by lurking first. I spent a month or two just lurking here and reading threads before I bought any supplies. It was definitely worth it, as the knowledge you gain here is VERY VERY beneficial to a new mixer. I never overflavored, used terrible flavors, or fucked up my nicotine by not shaking(cough cough/u/crappy_guitarist :P) Take your time, there's no rush to get into DIY.

1 points
 
by RoadSurferalmost 10 years ago

Exactly, I figure I'll get an education first. ;-)

1 points
 
by crappy_guitaristalmost 10 years agoProud Sidebar Reader!

god fucking damnit... show me where is says ANYWHERE IN THE SIDEBAR to shake your nic.

1 points
 
by skiddlzninjaalmost 10 years ago

I was just underlining the importance of lurking before purchasing, not everything is in the sidebar darling <3. Either way, your post was very popular and definitely helped others to not make the same mistake, whether you know it or not :) That's the importance of letting others know you fucked up; so they don't fuck up too.

1 points
 
by bananlaksalmost 10 years ago

But DIY can be so simple...

What I've done: Bought - 12 empty 30ml bottles

  • The aromas I want, when I want
  • VPG base (vg and pg premixed with nic. Costs the same as buying each on their own where I'm at anyway)

And that's it. I just look up my ejuice calculator and put in recommended dosage percentage, it tells me drops. I pour in the drops, and fill it all the way up with VPG. Then shake the bottle really hard, put on a self written etiquette, and let it breath out the air bubbles in an hour or so, then I put it in a shelf over night and I'm good to go. Can't be much simpler than that.

Worth mentioning that I only use single flavors. And only fruity kinds of flavors, which doesn't demand a long steeping time or hassle. Whenever I use a dark juice or such, there's leakage, gunk and the coil needs to be changed after a few days. With my method they last for weeks, maybe 1-2 month if I dryburn and wash them every week.

1 points
 
by RoadSurferalmost 10 years ago

No doubt...

I'm definitely hearing you, that's why I spend so much time lurking in here!

I'll eventually start mixing, I think, it feels like a natural evolution from where I'm at now.

1 points
 
by bananlaksalmost 10 years ago

You should. You'll save so much money. I don't even know how I could afford a pack and a half day at 13'5 dollars a pack.

Actually, when I started DIY. I did it for the sole purpose of saving money. I bought a vpg base and two aroma bottles. Then I poured the aroma bottle and emptied it in the 100ml vpg bottle, shaked it for a sec, then vaped it. Pretty funny to think about. I never read about, I just figured about it myself. And that's what I"ve been doing since. I learn my own way, by succeeding and failing. And that's the best way to learn in my opinion. By finding out about it and experience it without others influence or opinion. Or by merely following a guide. You don't learn it that way. Maybe you'll make the perfect juice that way, but you'll never really understand how it works and what does what if you don"t experience it yourself.

1 points
 
by Knappandvapealmost 10 years ago

Where do you get your premixed base from?

1 points
 
by bananlaksalmost 10 years ago

I buy them from molinshop.com. I only buy juice from them. Great juices, quick delivery, more than excellent customer service. This is in Europe though. If you live in US f.ex, you can get it much cheaper.

1 points
 
by trai_depalmost 10 years ago

I read the Motherboard article about pending FDA over-reach (I'm for keeping Vaping out of the hands of kids and labeling is prudent, but what'll end up as regulations…) and posted here.

Really nice folks gave great comments and many were very encouraging for me to try it out. Even providing a link to this wonderful Sub! Only to find this wonderful post!!

So, I'll be making the leap in a couple weeks. Wish me luck. Next frontier, wicks!

Mommy, I'm s-s-s-cared! (No not really, but glad y'all are here!)

1 points
 
by surfishermanalmost 10 years ago

I mix small batches , 30 to 50 ml and i use syringes and they work just fine , if i wanted to really get into it i would probably buy a scale but i don't.

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