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A nice little-a-cetyl recipe: Peanut Butter, Banana Cookie
submitted almost 10 years ago by shrine399Mixologist

DISCLAIMER No matter how good it is, please don't make this an ADV unless you are fully aware of the possible danger of over-vaping diketones. Personally, I use it as a personal treat when I really want something creamy and rich. I limit myself to about 10mL per week.

Scroll to bottom for recipe if you don't care about explanations.

So I hadn't tried Milk & Honey in a long time, and after trying it (It really isn't that great, and is way overflavored leaving some very awkward notes), I decided I wanted to make something similar in the sense that I wanted something nice and complex, creamy, but not a custard or yogurt.

This is not a clone. This is Inspired by M&H (in a sense)

So I started by picking out the main notes of M&H (some clone attempts were of assistance). Here's what I picked out

The obviously high amount of Graham Cracker Clear TPA

TFA Peanut Butter OR Toasted Almond (They have similar effects, you'll see how I use these later on).

Banana Cream or Banana Nut Bread (both TFA). For some reason I couldn't figure out which one it was, I lean towards BNB, but maybe both.

Pie Crust TFA (this is what gave it the off note, I had remembered the offnote from trying it in a looper clone attempt a while back).

So these were the flavors I started with, but it just wasn't where I wanted it to be, and I wanted something way more complex; so I will break down my development of each layer I wanted in this recipe (The nuttiness(PB) and banana, The graham/cookie, the cream)

I wanted the cream to be very complex and on the forefront of this recipe. The banana just adds another layer I will explain shortly.

The Cream

  • Vanilla Swirl (TFA) 3%: This adds a nice creamy base to start building on. At 3% it does not add too much flavor, but adds to the smooth and rich cream we will be building on top of.

  • Marshmallow (TFA) 1.5%: Another mouthfeeler. subtle creaminess to the flavor, but most of all, moistness in the mouthfeel.

  • Vienna Cream (FA) 0.5%: I underestimated this flavor for a VERY long time. It adds this beautiful creaminess that brings forward all of the other complexities in this cream base. It is borderline ice-creamy, but really, to me, just tastes like a very sweet vanilla cream. It doesn't do much to the mouthfeel, but it tastes amazing.

  • Meringue (FA) .25%: This makes the sugar in the cookie baby. It adds a sweetness that is reminiscent to me of a sugar cookie's sweetness.

  • Marshmallow (FA) .25%: Adds to the mouthfeel in the same way that TFA's does. I find, above .25% it starts to mute the other notes of the cream, therefor it stayed at .25%.

  • Caramel (FLV) 0.25%: Man I'm seriously loving this flavor lately. I'm using it in the same way I used it in my fritter recipe; it just sweetens everything while adding these deep caramel notes. It is a very rich and full, dark caramel flavor.

The nutz and nanners

  • TFA Peanut Butter 1.5-2%: At such a low percentage, it adds another complexity to the cream, being most like a skippy type peanut butter. It misses the saltiness of real peanut butter, but that is why it contributes so much to the cream side of this recipe. I got real sick of TFA Peanut Butter when using it at high percentages because it was TOO rich. At 2% it adds just the right amount of nuttiness that you can still pick out the peanut butter, but it is not overwhelming. (I say 1.5-2% because if you find this flavor overpowering, it does just fine at 1.5% rather than 2%. I know some people think it is very strong, while others very weak).

  • TFA Toasted Almond 2%: Oh man I LOVE what this does to the recipe. It has the most interesting effect on it's complexity. You may notice very subtle notes of dark roasted coffee beans in the accent notes when you vape this. I contribute this to this flavor and it is so interesting and wonderful. It also complements the peanut butter and brings out the peanuts with less of the butter/creamy side.

  • TFA Banana Nut Bread 1% and TFA Banana Cream 1%: These two combined, provide a complex banana flavor. The dry and bready mouthfeel of BNB compliments the banana cream to provide a fuller banana flavor (while still being subtle and not overpowering). You may find BNB to be on the stronger side in this recipe, feel free to lower to .5-.75% and up the BC to compensate.

Das Kookie

  • TFA Graham Cracker Clear 3.75% : I can't even begin to explain this flavor, but it is definitely not graham cracker the way I think of it. It smells absolutely divine and give the juice and warmth and richness that I would never leave it out of this recipe. At higher percentages, it lends itself to some strange offnotes that are not particular tasteful, yet still interesting. I find I am still experimenting with the percentage of this flavor, trying to keep it as prominent as possible without being overpowering.

  • TFA Pie Crust 0.5%: Even more complexity. Anything higher and I got the offnotes I found in M&H. At this level, it brings out the cookie/graham of the recipe.

There she blows, boys and girls. I call her Nancy.

  • TFA Peanut Butter 2%

  • TFA Toasted Almond 2%

  • TFA Vanilla Swirl 3%

  • TFA Marshmallow 1.5%

  • TFA Graham Cracker Clear 3.75%

  • TFA Pie Crust 0.5%

  • TFA Banana Nut Bread 1%

  • TFA Banana Cream 1%

  • FA Vienna Cream 0.5%

  • FA Meringue 0.25%

  • FA Marshmallow 0.25%

  • FLV Caramel 0.25%

Good at any ratio, but I prefer 60/40 or 70/30 VG/PG

EDIT I changed up the marshmallow a bit to make it simpler and contain less AP/A, I dropped the TFA and upped the FA to 0.5%. Just as amazing, if not better.

Enjoy, Suckas.

In response to the innevitable substitution requests:

Peanut Butter: nope

Toasted Almond :nope, but probably still good w/o

Graham: heck no, techno

Pie Crust: can leave out, maybe FA cookie .25%

BNB/BC: Nope, one or the other, but don't increase % unless desired.

Vienna/Merignue: Nope

FA Marshmallow/TFA Marshmallow: interchangeable but with lesser effect.

FLV Caramel: FA Caramel, but seriously, get some FLV.

Toodles.

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by fizzmustardalmost 10 years agoBest Recipe of 2014

Whoa, that's a doozy!

Talk about chasing your white whale. I know you've been after this one for quite some time. I'm really happy you finally got everything where you wanted it. It's an awesome feeling when you start out on a clone, and end up improving what you enjoyed about the base profile to make an even better liquid. Awesome!

Given Cosmic Fog's trend toward using a lot of FW, I'm very glad to see you totally avoided that vendor here.

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by shrine399almost 10 years agoMixologist

Is it strange that I was listening to Wayne's pod cast with you and /u/DrMclovens while I came up with this last night? O.o You guys even had a little shpeal on M&H at the end lol.

EDIT: Having always hated most of FW's flavors as well as trying to avoid AP/A whilst acknowledging M&H being mainly comprised of it led me to FA's creams to handle the bulk of the cream notes. Give it a shot when you get a chance and let me know what you think. I really honestly like it better than M&H.

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by DrMclovensalmost 10 years agoThe Mad Alchemist

This is just awesome reading this entire post <3 lolol

P.S FA Creams are rad. but have you tried FLV Cream? different notes but nom nom nom good hahaha

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by shrine399almost 10 years agoMixologist

I have it and haven't gotten around to using it. I'll have to mix it standalone today so I can see what it's all about; thanks for the recommendation! I'm insanely in love with their caramel, but unfortunately just found out that it likely contains AP and naturally occurring Diacetyl, which makes me sad.

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by DrMclovensalmost 10 years agoThe Mad Alchemist

you make me happy reading a post like this :p

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by shrine399almost 10 years agoMixologist

<3

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by myep0ninealmost 10 years agoOne of "The Damned"

gonna try this out with and without fa cookie since I don't have pie crust.

edited: mobile made fa cookie look like 25%

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by shrine399almost 10 years agoMixologist

0.25%...

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by myep0ninealmost 10 years agoOne of "The Damned"

yea sorry. edited my comment since mobile separated the decimal from the 25%

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by shrine399almost 10 years agoMixologist

No worries lol, at first I thought I made a mistake and was like oh that's a big mistake...

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by Nicobeakalmost 10 years ago

Nice recipe. I know the strange note in MH you are talking about...never thought to try pie crust in my many attempts at cloning. Excited to try your recipe out, I've got everything but BNB. Thank you for posting with such detail.

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by shrine399almost 10 years agoMixologist

I think the elusive honey note people are after in M&H is just high amounts of graham cracker and pie crust and the inherent offnote that comes from it. I'm serious, make 5mL of 7%graham/3%piecrust and see exactly what I mean. I think having found that out, I could have gotten pretty close to an actual clone, but I'd rather go my own direction and stay on the "inspired" side.

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by contactclosurealmost 10 years ago

Awesome post! I managed to have most of the flavors but I have been putting off ordering any banana flavors. Gonna have to get those so I can make this. I like so many of these flavors and haven't tried them all together like this. Thank you for sharing the recipe and typing it up so comprehensively.

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by shrine399almost 10 years agoMixologist

BNB and BC are both very versatile, the prior being my preferred of the two. You could try the recipe without them as it is still a very good peanut butter cookie.

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by contactclosurealmost 10 years ago

Good idea. I haven't used TFA PB in forever (tried it @ 5% and never looked back). I also don't have TFA Pie Crust but I bet FA Apple Pie will sub without terrible consequences. Thanks again!

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by shrine399almost 10 years agoMixologist

Yeah that should work. Let me know how it works out!

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by crosstown_rebelalmost 10 years ago

So are you vaping this right now? I'm about to make this and bluenuts and just wanna know... How is she?

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by shrine399almost 10 years agoMixologist

I wouldn't have posted her if I didn't think it was amazing :). But to answer your question: she's fantastic. Creamy nutty, rich and smooth, yet light enough to ADV even though you shouldn't ADV cuz AP.

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by crosstown_rebelalmost 10 years ago

Haha, I couldn't even wait for your reply.

I mixed it up and I'm vaping her right now. There's definitely a bunch of complexity going on. Will definitely benefit from a steep. I think overall, some things could be cut out as I might be getting off notes from a few things here and there but overall it is a good recipe. I don't know why but I do feel like the banana nut bread is shining through a tad bit on this, even buried behind everything else. I know those banana flavors steep out in time and some other things will come forward, but I did see your note after I mixed her up.

For some reason, those TFA banana dessert flavors can be off-putting to my palate in the wrong ratios. I may very well vape this down and come up with my own revision of wayne's blackout with your take on this and try to round off the more prominent notes and ditch some of the lower percentage stuff.

Thanks for the hard work! It is very rich.

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by shrine399almost 10 years agoMixologist

Things I plan to do myself: Remove Banana Cream, I think I just like BNB better. Drop FA Marshmallow slightly, I find this flavor can be somewhat muting. Meringue down slightly for the same reason. Other than that, I'm pretty happy with it and am glad you're enjoying it. Thanks for the feedback.

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by mourningshadowalmost 10 years ago

I mixed this up the day you posted and just now tried it after a three day steep and man, this is really good! Well done!

I did make some slight changes, I did half and half TFA and FLV peanut butter because that just works for me. Also I didn't have banana cream so I left it out and increased the BNB accordingly.

Again, very well done! I am having a hard time putting this one down, it's so smooth and rich.

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by shrine399almost 10 years agoMixologist

I regretfully recommended upping the BNB (even though it is still very good), try it at 1% or less, even without the Banana Cream. After 1%, the BNB gets very dry and muting of the other complexities. (It could just be me, but today I tried it at 1.5% BNB and it killed the whole mix for me, compared to the original.

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by mourningshadowalmost 10 years ago

Well I've got some banana cream coming so will mix it up as intended next time.

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by crosstown_rebelalmost 10 years ago

Bro I just wanted to give you another nod a week or two later.

I've been sucking this shit down basically nonstop and it has provided a good basis for me to go off of with my NUTZ clone. I love it man. Good fucking job.

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by shrine399almost 10 years agoMixologist

Wow, I really appreciate it. This is one of my favorite recipes I've come up with and I'm glad someone is enjoying it :)

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by crosstown_rebelalmost 10 years ago

I just whipped up a fat daddy batch but used .25 brown sugar extra instead of FA caramel (sub for flv caramel)... I doubt it will turn out different. Caramel is just caramelized sugar anyway, right? Lol. Anyway .25 meh. I was like oh SHIT. That's the glory of diy though, I can just make another batch since it was like 3 dollars. HAHA thanks for your contributions man. This is better than some other recipes I've seen lately!

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by shrine399almost 10 years agoMixologist

Yeah, I like TFA's brown sugar, but if you don't want the actual taste of it in the recipe, it shouldn't be used. You should really get some FLV caramel though, it takes what FA caramel does to a whole new level, IMO. No problem man, glad it's proven fruitful :)

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