Hey guys so I've done some research and i have flavors and nic on the way but i was hoping to get vg locally.
But I've gotten confused about the different types available. Sorry if this is discussed often, my searches of the sub didn't turn up much.
One shop i found has 99.7% usp and they sell it for cosmetic use. I've also found claims by some people that the glycerin found in your average drug store is not the same as vegetable glycerin.
I thought this would be easy and i want to buy local as I've stopped buying juice in anticipation of getting this order of stuff.
And just to clarify my lungs really don't like pg so I'm trying to go max vg so that's why i need help.
Thanks guys!
As long as its both food grade and usp I vape that shit
You preferably want USP grade. Food grade is below USP standards.
The shit I been buying is both
Just order some from a known popular internet retailer unless you can tell us the brand name. I myself would probably vape it but I would probably research the brand first.
Here's a link to it. Looks promising and it is kosher too so I'm leaning towards it but i don't feel like feeding myself something that i shouldn't lol
https://www.the-apothecary.ca/mobile/Vegetable-Glycerin_p_269.html
I have ordered USP and bought locally in a few shops (including Boots in the UK) and they have all seemed the same to me, no issues at all.
Ok cool. There's a b&m in my city that sells vg but i was hoping to be able to find something more accessible, and the apothecary (a much more accessible shop) said some people have bought their vg for that purpose but they haven't had any feedback nor do they remember whether they have had return customers lol.
If you're in Canada like I it seems you are because of your link you should just order from either fusion flavours or canvape. Canvape is quicker than fusion if that matters and I think a bit cheaper with more selection too.
I will probably do that later on but my orders are coming in on Monday and i need a relatively quick fix lol
Then go to your nearest Shoppers Drug Mart if you're in Canada. They sell a suitable glycerin in the first aid section; 250ml/$6.
Most (probably all) glycerin you can buy in a drug store comes from vegetable matter. Since vegetable source glycerin is very cheap to make it is the most common variety.
99.7% USP is fine to use for vaping, in fact any just USP glycerin is fine.
Other sources of glycerin (animal, mineral) are usually not manufactured for the glycerin, rather are by products from other processes. Generally they are not refined to food or USP grade.
Walmart has a 99.5% vg. It's under the brand Humco. It's like $3.68 or something for 177ml of it. I used to go there in a pinch. Now I order from essential depot.
You will find it in the pharmacy under the first aid section
You're the first person I've noticed mention the first-aid section (where I saw it) instead of the skin care aisle. :)
The thing that confuses me about VG, is why some seem to be thicker than others... And in not talking about grocery store or "local" VG. I'm talking about buying VG from online places that specialize is DIY vape supplies.
I want the thickest VG I can find (I know right, sounds dumb).... But I love super thick max VG juice. Some VG just seems thinner than others,
Who knows we're to get the thickest damn VG around (vapable of course)?
I always buy my VG from walmart. It's in the beauty aide isle around the bug bite stuff and calamine lotion.
99.7% USP grade glycerine. Costs like 4 dollars for 177 ML. It's probably not the cheapest source outside of internet distributors, but its the easiest place to buy it since I go through the VG much much faster compared to my nicotine and flavorings.
I buy stuff from my local pharmacy (probably equivalent to US drug store) it's cheaper than anywhere else. http://www.boots.com/en/Value-Health-Glycerin-B-P-200ml_852418/
And you have no issues eh? I just heard there were different grades and types so I'm just trying to avoid a lungful of disappointment lol.
Nah, none whatsoever it's Pharma grade stuff so it's fine :)
I read this from someone commenting on Essential Depot's PG;
> These carriers are made in four grades: Pharmaceutical Grade - for human consumption including by inhalation Food Grade - for human consumption by ingestion but not inhalation Agricultural (Farm) Grade - for use in connection with animals Industrial Grade - for use in machinery, manufacturing and similar purposes All of these grades except Pharma Grade contain contaminants, in increasing amounts as the grade quality reduces. This is the difference in the grades. DO NOT BUY FARM GRADE OR INDUSTRIAL GRADE MATERIALS FOR INHALATION - THEY ARE CONTAMINATED. Even Food Grade should probably not be inhaled, because the digestive system can handle the contaminants in it that the lungs may not be able to. An example of this kind of difference is the flavoring chemical diacetyl, which has a very strong butter popcorn aroma. It is safe for ingestion (eating) as the digestive system can neutralize it; but it can be fatal when inhaled over a period of time as it causes a degenerative lung disease called 'popcorn lung', Bronchiolitis Obliterans. This is a rather extreme analogy, admittedly, but it does illustrate the very wide difference between the digestive tract and the lungs. PG and VG are both sold in good quality and are labelled: Propylene Glycol, USP (or BP or EU) Glycerine, USP (or BP or EU) It is possible that a USP product can be either pharma grade or food grade. The USP designation only refers to a general production regime and does not cover the exact contaminants as long as the minimum standard is met. So a USP product might be considered safe for inhalation; or it might, on test, prove inadvisable to inhale. The only product that is guaranteed to be suitable for inhalation is a product that is (a) designated by the manufacturer as Pharmaceutical Grade, and that (b) also has a provable license for inclusion in a specific inhalable medicine. Needless to say this is virtually impossible to locate for the individual buyer. A vendor would be able to buy e.g. Dow Optim glycerine in quantity, for mixing down (or its PG equivalent), and be assured the material is suitable. This however doesn't take into account the nicotine base carrier PG or glycerine. As a practical example, the FDA has warned that glycerine marked USP may contain toxic components from biodiesel byproduct manufacture, and currently there appears to be no way of determining whether or not a USP product contains biodiesel byproduct glycerine. Only synthetic pharma grade glycerine can be be assumed to be free of such contaminants at this time. PG Only propylene glycol of pharma grade should be inhaled, no other grade is suitable. All other grades contain contaminants. VG Glycerine should only be inhaled in pharma grade, which is often synthetic. The use of the term VG to describe the glycerine we use for inhalation is probably obsolete now, and stems from the early days of e-cigarette use when there was little use of Glycerine USP and DIYers had a choice between vegetable-source glycerine and animal-source glycerine [1]. Pharma grade glycerine for inhalation - the only type that should be used - is frequently synthetic [2] and therefore absolutely pure, so its origin is irrelevant. [1] Glycerine can be made from a multiplicity of sources including animal carcases, biodiesel manufacture byproduct, palm oil, coconut oil, a combination of vegetable sources, or synthetically. [2] To see more info on pharma grade glycerine, google 'dow optim'.
Edited to format a bit. Sorry it's a giant paragraph don't know how to put in breaks e___e. You can look up 1 Quart PG from Essential Depot and find the original comment on the question "What is the purity of this product?"
99% of the VG we vape is food grade, thus not meant for inhalation. There is no medical grade VG, there is medical grade Glycerin. What you want to look for is a lot number and expiration date. If it doesn't have that, than its simply food grade. To save you the trouble, here is one for example. Pretty much some of the highest grade, and cleanest glycerin you can buy (outside of having connections in the medical field) as a consumer. PM me if you want the link.