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Cinna... bon? Cinna... non? A bit of history on cinnamon and why you may have never actually tasted it (Part 1)
submitted over 9 years ago by ilikeycoffeeExtractor

Ahhh... cinnamon. One of the world's most important spices. So important it's mentioned in the Bible -- both the Old Testament and the New!. Even Pliny the Elder, that Roman historian and philosopher, wrote about it. Once so rare, it was one of the main reasons an Italian set sail under the flags of a Spaniard... not to find the new world, but to find a new route to get cinnamon, and other spices. That person, of course, was Columbus. True cinnamon was so rare and so expensive that in Pliny's time, 350g of it was traded for 5 kilograms worth of silver. This is but a snippet of cinnamon's wide, wild, and surprising history (google it if you want to read more!); Once super rare, today, it's almost as common as the most basic spices, salt and pepper.

So, we all know cinnamon, right? Maybe not. There's a good chance you've never tasted actual cinnamon. You might think you have, but what you tasted instead is Cassia... uh oh. I am getting ahead of myself here.

Much like true arabica coffee is native to only one place on the earth (Ethiopia), true cinnamon is native to only one area: modern day Sri Lanka, née Ceylon. Modern agriculture has transplanted the tree to different countries, like Costa Rica, where you can source "Ceylon Cinnamon" along with other grades of cinnamon (and cassia, but again, more on that below).

True cinnamon is a medicine as well as a spice. A controlled daily dosage of cinnamon can aid those suffering from Type 2 Diabetes by lowering their fasting blood glucose by about 3 to 5%, the same amount that diabetes medicines were doing a few decades ago (modern drugs do more; cinnamon should not be used to replace these drugs, FYI). It also reduces LDL cholesterol and triglycerides.

But what the heck is cinnamon, physically? Well, it's the bark of a tree. Or more specifically, the inner bark of the tree. When being harvested, the tree is chopped down a foot or two above ground, because the tree will grow back (and grow back quickly) from the remaining trunk. While still fresh, the outer green bark is shaved off, and the inner bark is cut away in vertical strips down the trunk. It dries (and curls) very quickly -- usually just 2 weeks in shade, shorter time in sun -- and then it's ready to package and sell. Fresh, taking a tiny bite of the chewy bark is like taking a bite on a dozen BigRed gum sticks! It's a weird sensation too because you're so used to cinnamon being a try powder, or a stick.

True cinnamon, once dried, is a bit more delicate and complex in its taste. What? Cinnamon, delicate? Heck yah, because compared to its close cousin, Cassia, cinnamon is super delicate! Cassia's the big, in your face cinnamon, the BMOC (google that) of spices. And also potentially a lot more bad for you.

So at the top, I said it's possible you've never ever tasted cinnamon, even though you think you have. You probably tasted Cassia. 90% of the stuff sold as "cinnamon" in the US is actually cassia. In the world of coffee, arabica has its close cousin robusta, a hardier, more potent (and not as good tasting) coffee bean; cinnamon has cassia, a hardier, more potent, not as good tasting cinnamon bark. It is native to China and it has something cinnamon does not: coumarin. This chemical forms the basis of the Bristol-Meyer drug, Warfarin. The blood thinning drug they give to people who suffered a pulmonary embolism.

Now Warfarin doesn't have "coumarin". It has "Coumadin", a chemical derived from coumarin. A typical Warfarin dose has 10mg of Coumadin, and a teaspoon of ground up cassia has 10-12mg of coumarin. But I'm getting away from myself here. Coumarin isn't... good for you. Well, it isn't good in high doses. The European Food Safety Authority recommends taking in no more than 7-10mg of coumarin per day (.1mg per kilo of body weight). Too much cassia and all that coumarin will fuck over your liver. Fuck over your kidneys. You will screw with your blood pressure. You will thin your blood. Because, while outside your body it's coumarin (and Warfarin is the metabolized Coumadin made from coumarin), inside your body? Your body will do the same thing to coumarin - metabolize it into its own variant of coumadin!

Basically, I think of Cassia Cinnamon as bad, Ceylon Cinnamon (true cinnamon) as good. I know I'm probably oversensitive to this, and as they say, sometimes a little knowledge is dangerous :) That said, there is no cassia cinnamon in my household. Only ceylon cinnamon in powdered and stick form (and eliquid flavouring form!)

Okay, lots of history, lots of chemistry, lots of science. Let's get down to cinnamon and vaping (or cooking, or flavouring your hot chocolate, why not!) How do you tell cassia apart from cinnamon? If you're buying the sticks, it's pretty easy - cinnamon sticks can be broken by hand; cassia cannot - it's much, much harder. If you're buying powder, read the label - only ceylon cinnamon can be labelled "Ceylon Cinnamon", at least legally. For the rest of this post, I'll be saying "cinnamon" and what I mean is ceylon cinnamon.

I only use one cinnamon in my vaping: FlavourArt's Ceylon Cinnamon. As far as I'm concerned, that's the only cinnamon flavouring you should buy. Again, YMMV. I feel FA's effort is the closest you'll get to real cinnamon. There's little to no sweetness at all, so you'll have to rely on other things in your juice to bring up the balance.

In vaping, you'd use cinnamon almost exactly the way you'd use it in your normal foods. Here's some suggestions:

  • Apples, pears, peaches. A match made in heaven with cinnamon. Go for a 4:1 or 5:1 ratio of fruit to cinnamon.
  • Chocolates and cinnamon are another match made in heaven. Play with the ratios.
  • Creams and Cookies - a third match made in heaven. Don't forget a sweetener!
  • Nuts. Any nut will go well with cinnamon, but I find almonds and cinnamon especially play well together, and no surprise - especially if you read my "Tonka Bean" part two post!
  • Whiskey, Bourbon, Rum, Brandy, they all love a bit of cinnamon boost.
  • used in tiny amounts - less than .5% of a recipe, cinnamon can often give that "hidden pop" of flavour or change other flavours. Try it in things you normally wouldn't to see what happens.
  • Cinnamon and Marshmallow pair up super well, the marshmallow mellows out the cinnamon and takes away some of the heat.
  • for "Big Red" fans (not my style), just go with 6-10% ceylon cinnamon and some sweet cream and get ready for fire alarm breath!

One final note on cassia vs cinnamon; I didn't do a lot of research into the other companies' cinnamon flavours - it'd be great to know if TPA, FW, etc use cassia or actual ceylon cinnamon. If you know, please share!

So, this post is pretty long, but believe it or not, it was originally much longer! All this talk about cinnamon got me thinking about the "forbidden fruit" (actually a legume) of the culinary world, the Tonka Bean. I'll write that one up next in a much shorter post!

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by ilikeycoffeeover 9 years agoExtractor

PS. This post is dedicated to /u/christopherson who was very kind enough to gift me gold on my Marshmallow post. So appreciated!

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by christophersonover 9 years ago

:D. I'm happy to support someone putting out useful content that will better my experience in the hobby, even if its just giving it to some website so you can be in a club or some weird shit. If you had donations I'd send it that way but idk how everone else would feel about that. Pay wall is one thing but I think donations would be a great way to support someone delivering some content like this.

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by ihatetoridethebusover 9 years ago

You did it again, very entertaining read!

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by Feynnehrunover 9 years ago

My life is a lie. :(

Sadly... I hold a BS in culinary sciences and this never once came up in school.

If we can't trust cinnamon, wtf can we trust?!

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by ilikeycoffeeover 9 years agoExtractor

Heh don't feel bad mate, didn't know there was any difference (or about coumarin) myself until a few years ago when I read something Harold McGee wrote on the subject. It was enlightening. That's also when I learned about tonka beans.

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by twoshotracerover 9 years agoProud Sidebar Reader!

salt is a monopoly, it is the only monopoly in America that is allowed by the government

now how do you feel?

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by deohgee4over 9 years ago

Hate to burst your bubble, but Cargill is another large salt producer in the US. And lets not forget about the Detroit salt company that operates a huge salt mine under the city of Detroit.

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by AaronToroover 9 years ago

Source? Genuinely curious, couldn't find anything on google

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by samewineskoover 9 years ago

The only monopoly allowed in America? What about cable companies? What about power companies?

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by twoshotracerover 9 years agoProud Sidebar Reader!

both power and cable utilities (electric: im in NH and we have PSNH or Liberty utilities/ cable: many cities have their own cable companies, they're just not as well known as comcast) are owned by multiple companies big, small, and state funded, morton salt owns every grain of salt in america, they sell as store brand and to small manufacturers

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by Botboy141over 9 years agoGunner's Gold Gourmet E-Juice

Should get /u/abdada in here to talk about cinnameldehyde and it's relation to this stuff.

As far as I know, every artifical cinnamon flavor is primarily cinnameldehyde and whatever else the flavoring company chooses to add.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinnamaldehyde

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by jafbfaover 9 years ago

Very interesting stuff. I bought a juice called "Canella Vanilla" and learned about another cinnamon cousin, canella. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canella

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by Botboy141over 9 years agoGunner's Gold Gourmet E-Juice

That is a super yummy juice.

One of the very few commercial juices I wouldn't mind vaping nowadays.

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by OctaVariuM8over 9 years agoOne of "The Damned"

Yay I already knew this! Wooo Alton Brown!

Also, for what it's worth, FLV Rich Cinnamon is the only cinnamon I use in my recipes :).

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by DrMclovensover 9 years agoThe Mad Alchemist

good post man, I was admittedly quite interested in the topic. but, at the end of the post, only one thing came to mind.

"I wonder just how much cinnamon this guy consumes a day"

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by project_twenty5oh1over 9 years agoMixologist

Nice writeup. On "Good Eats" Alton Brown did an episode on just what you are talking about: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1gf2x_good-eats-house-of-the-rising-bun-p_fun

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by hotwingsandcoldbeerover 9 years agoTobacconist

One of my favorite shows of all time. But I can't stand him on any of the other shows he's on.

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by project_twenty5oh1over 9 years agoMixologist

I pretty much agree with you but i still love alton all the same. He's my spirit animal.

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by TheSlovakover 9 years ago

Now it makes sense why I've always preferred Ceylon cinnamon over other types. Any specific supplier you recommend? I'll admit I'm partial to Penzey's.

I've not used fa's cinnamon that you recommended, but I have been enjoying tfa's cinnamon spice. I'll have to contact them and see where they might get that essential oil from. Here is the link to the component list:

https://shop.perfumersapprentice.com/componentlist.aspx?sku_search=345959

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by Tamachickenover 9 years ago

Thank you very much for the link! I wasn't aware they made the components of their products public.

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by TheSlovakover 9 years ago

Yup, and the main reason I primarily use them over other vendors.

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by Tamachickenover 9 years ago

Just ordered my first batch of flavours from them on Friday. I'm hoping that the transparency doesn't lead to muted or "off" flavour profiles.

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by probywan1337over 9 years ago

These are great little articles, man. Thanks for putting in the time and effort to spread some knowledge.

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by Chrononaughtover 9 years agoOne of "The Damned"

Once again a very informative and interesting read. I encourage you to continue with these. We could use the information like this. I had no idea that the cinnamon is a lie! :O

So, now on top of FW Wintergreen, I have to get FA Cinnamon Ceylon. I'd LOVE to experiment with a Pear + Cinnamon combo. That sounds great.

I envy your knowledge, so please stick around. I shall live vicariously through you.

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by skiddlzninjaover 9 years agoFrugivore

Have you had the chance to try FLV rich cinnamon yet?

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by ilikeycoffeeover 9 years agoExtractor

no, but I found such a fantastic match in the FA cinnamon, I haven't bothered trying any other ones!

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by skiddlzninjaover 9 years agoFrugivore

FLV rich cinnamon is absolutly fantastic. Not sure how it compares to FA ceylon since I haven't tried it, but it's much better than the other straight cinnamons. I find it has more of an oaky flavor than just the straight cinnamon red hots flavor that others are.

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by ilikeycoffeeover 9 years agoExtractor

I might have to give it a try then! Thanks!

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by Marikc1over 9 years agoMixologist

Was already aware that the crap they sell in stores isn't actually cinnamon.

Also that the junk they call honey is worthless. Doesn't sweeten for shit. Has almost none of the health benefits. The only thing it's good for is if you like the taste of store "honey" and feel like eating it alone.

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by TheSaucerersover 9 years ago

This is an amazingly well written article. Thanks for taking the time to educate us on cinnamon, something I wouldn't have considered as interesting as you just explained it to be.

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by ilikeycoffeeover 9 years agoExtractor

Thanks mate!

My goal with these posts is to get people thinking beyond perhaps preconceived (or old) notions of a flavour; personally, I always find it interesting to know the history and development of a flavour or recipe or combination of flavours... knowing that about a taste, flavour, product gets me thinking in more creative ways how to use that flavour, taste, product.

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by TheSaucerersover 9 years ago

Definitely, I love seeing breakdowns like this. The way your style of writing delivers the information is very entertaining and I enjoyed it. Can't wait to read more of what you have to offer.

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by CopperOreover 9 years agoProud Sidebar Reader!

I forgot to buy cinnamon last round, now glad I did =) Will give the FA a shot (my BF is under the impression I am going to be able to make him eggnog eliquid).

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by Enyawreklawover 9 years agoMixologist

Bro you're killin it with these flavor notes.

EDIT: Btw I cannot vape Cinnamon. I enjoy a touch of FA Cin in a few apple bakeries but anything more than an end note completely overwhelms anything it's coupled with. I guess I'm too sensitive to it and it's the reason why I haven't used it in any of my recipes

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by shrine399over 9 years agoMixologist

I agree. One of my first most popular flavors was a cinnabon using FW cinnamon role, and while people still love it, it makes me want to puke. I loved it at one point too.

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by ThirdWorldOrderover 9 years ago

I can't vape FW Cinnamon Roll or CAP CDS anymore. They are flavors that are awesome the first few times you vape them, but quickly become cloying. I still enjoy the small amount of cinnamon in Graham Cracker though

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by shrine399over 9 years agoMixologist

Yeah small cin nuances are what I love taking advantage of. Full fledged cin flavors though make me want to cut my ear off.

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by EricIsACrackerover 9 years ago

I have FW cinnamon. I don't really like it that much. I've tried it in so many mixes but only found true success mixing it with FW Dutch Apple pie. It's so sweet and overwhelming. It just makes me not taste so many other flavored that I should be. The way you describe this FA cinnamon though really makes me want to buy it. For those curious I mix 12% Dutch Apple pie with 4% cinnamon, both FW. I've probably smoked over 1000ml of this mix, it's been my go to for so long and will continue to be; it's not because of the cinnamon though, it's because of the pie.

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by happinessanddisasterover 9 years ago

I really appreciate these write ups and I'm looking forward to more!

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by phirebugover 9 years ago

This is why I subscribe to this sub even though I don't mix my own juices. (well...yet) Thanks for the informative post!

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by contactclosureover 9 years ago

Another beautiful and informative post. I love you.

I might beat you to comparing FA and FLV cinnmon. I've had FA for awhile but another FLV order is looming and cinnmon is on top of the list. I could send you a sample as a (admittedly weak) payment for these posts if you'd like. PM if interested.

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by jkermanover 9 years ago

Do you have a penzeys spice retail store near you? they stock 5 kinds of cinnamon and have samplers you can smell in every store. Its a fascinating lesson into the differences between varieties of cinnamon (and vanilla! and several other things!)

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by vapingrammyover 9 years agoOne of "The Damned"

This is where I get my cinnamon. I like the Chinese usually.

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by prototrdover 9 years agoProud Sidebar Reader!

Wow.... thank you so much!

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by JackNJuiceover 9 years ago

I love these posts and the history behind them! Keep it up and thank you!

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by Sokjuiceover 9 years ago

As a newbie. Does anyone know if cinnamon danish mix well with irish cream + pecan/hazelnut combination? The smell of cinnamon danish is pretty good but the taste is definitely not something I'm experienced enough to judge. Any pointers?

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by sunnlyloveover 9 years ago

Cinnamon powder has the unique ability to imitate the activity of insulin in the body. For those who are unfamiliar with the process of glucose metabolism, insulin is the chemical that helps your body regulate its levels of blood sugar (glucose). http://www.pureherbextract.com/cinnamon-bark-powder.html

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by ArronRodgersButtholeover 9 years ago

Once again, this was awesome. Thank you!

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by silenced13over 9 years ago

You should get in touch with /u/enyawreklaw and see about getting this stuff put into his InTheMix magazine!

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