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Tobacco Notes - Black Mile, 7Leaves, Black Honey, Captain and Golden Virginia
submitted about 10 years ago by queuetueProud Sidebar Reader!

There isn’t a lot out there about tobacco flavors, so I spent some time exploring a few, and I wanted to share my notes.

My testing process: I test with a derringer, minimal cotton, single coil and the single coil hole, full open. 0.4% parallel 28g at 25 watts (3.1v) All mixes listed here were done 70/30 PG/VG and 3% nicotine from Nude Nic.

I change out cotton and dry hit every major flavor change, but not in between variants of the same flavor. I keep my hands clean with alcohol wipes before working the wicks and wash everything if something goes wrong, or if I stray into menthol or coffee territory. Where you see additions below (+ Bitter wizard for instance), I place one drop directly on the coil and apply the liquid being tested, then wait 20 seconds while it mingles a bit.

I include notes on a french inhale (just aroma without taste) and a dry hit (the last bit of flavor before the cotton is unvapeable.)

Every flavor listed here should spend some time aging (steeping) after mix. These are all shake n vape impressions. If people are interested, I’ll follow up with 1 and 2 week updates.

Ecig Express / Flavors Express Black Mile 3%

Very Bold, a hint of chocolate. A vegetal undertone that rapidly develops into ... hey, Cigar! Wow. Once your brain locks onto "cigar," the flavor falls into place. I even had a concern about not inhaling it, like a real cigar. There is a strong sweetness that almost overpowers, and then cuts out perfectly. Mild Throat Hit, not strong. Not ADV material, but would be great with company drinking scotch. Leaves sweetness on my lips like a Swisher Sweet, that’s nice.

  • French Inhale: Ashyness, oakey, dry
  • Dry Hit: pure tobacco.

Ecig Express / Flavors Express Captain 3%

Not light , moderate mouthfeel. Woodsy, this is really like a pipe tobacco. A good one. Slight toffee develops, with something … fruity? Prunes or cherries preserves in rum. Toasted marshmallow smell. Light vanilla, maybe? Hard note to place. This is very well balanced. Not an ADV, but possibly an all night vape. No real TH to speak of.

  • French Inhale: Captain Back Royal - spot on aroma. I want this smell on my clothes.
  • Dry hit: Strong fruit, gets very harsh very fast,

Ecig Express / Flavors Express Captain 3% + Flavors Express Black Mile 3%

Deep, Bold. Low throat hit. Less sweet but you can still detect the Black Mile in there. Heavier than either. Lingers with vanilla. Deep, dark fruit … dates, or expensive cacao nibs. Less vegetal note, the pipe s winning here, not the cigar.

  • French Inhale: Wonderful, just great aroma. Grandpa’s pipe. Woody, but not oak. Well seasoned pipe wood.
  • Dry hit: Dark Caramel / burnt sugar. Not bad, not sweet.

Ecig Express / Flavors Express Golden Virginia 5%

Light, sweet. A little bit of … rubbing alcohol? I think this is too light a %. Very light molasses or blonde/raw sugar. No TH at all. A bit of chemical in there, but not bad, just very slightly off. This wants to be less sweet. French Inhale: Mild, real tobacco - my mind said “Unfiltered Camel” although that might not be right. Super mild, but not a “filtered” smell.

  • Dry Hit: Very much like an analog, like a real cigarette. I admit I went back for more, I like this dry hit.
    • bitter wizard: Improved,more astringent, less sweet but still molasses.

Ecig Express / Flavors Express Golden Virginia 8%

Molasses masked. Chemicals masked. A little bit of TH. This is probably the right % for single use, nothing new from 5%, but just more and better balanced. I like this, it has ADV potential.

    • Bitter Wizard + Menthol: Like smoking a Kool, but without stinking like an ashtray. Great french inhale, very good analog analogue. Great ADV potential if you like menthols.

BCV / FlavourArt 7 Leaves Ultimate (7leaves) 5%

No sweetness. Astringent. No TH. Mighty vegetal backend, turning into … celery seed? Very green, not bad, but extremely present. I like this, and while it reminds me of tobacco, in my mind it isn’t. Might try an ADV, but probably not. Would be good for a bar though, outside with smoking buddies.

  • French Inhale: Pool chemicals. Don’t do that. So bad. So bad.
  • Dry hit: Rough, yuck, pure burned cotton.

BCV / FlavourArt 7 Leaves Ultimate (7leaves) 10%

Celery turned to light lemongrass, quite an improvement. I can sense tobacco now. Sweeter than 5%. Light TH - very very light. My nose started running immediately.

  • French Inhale: Pool chemicals reduced, replaced with .. cinnamon? Yeah, I tried it three times. Cinnamon.
    • menthol: All 7leaves flavor lost, pure menthol.

Ecig Express / Signature (TFA) Black Honey 3%

This is a nice surprise. Honey, spice, cloves. Hits me like a clove analog, I like this. There are deep, dark depths hidden in here. No tobacco, but tobacco is implied. It’s not very sweet, but the sweetness is implied. This one’s got complexity. ADV potential.

  • French inhale: Tobacco, baby powder (wtf?) No honey.
  • Dry Hit: Yam or pumpkin. This flavor’s got it going on.

Ecig Express / Signature (TFA) Black Honey 2% + TFA Ry4 Double 3%

Coughing, big TH. Not bad, but fast and hard. Sweeter than before. Nutty, BH is really holding it’s own, but the RY4 has changed the mix. The tobacco is here. Clove moved into the background, became a real supporting note. You can feel the clove, it tingles your mouth, but it’s not tasted directly. Yamminess moves to front stage. This is confusing, but good. It obviously needs to age.

  • French inhale: Not great. “Artificial” aroma. Not the worst, though.
  • Dry hit: Woody, smokey, pleasant.

I hope these notes are useful, I had a lot of fun with these, and I hope to explore more tobaccos.

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by frings_demiseabout 10 years ago

Nice beginning to your review of these flavors. I most certainly think you should give updates...even up to 3-4 weeks if you're up for it.

Its both interesting and important IMO to know what these tobaccos taste like in these initial stages, but as you mentioned, tobaccos need to age. Some will taste decent with a S&V, but all benefit greatly from proper aging and breathing.

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by v4mpiresabout 10 years ago

Wow. This is what I needed. I've wanted to dive into the tobacco flavor realm for a long time and this might help me pull the trigger. Any idea on which might be your favorite?

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by queuetueabout 10 years ago

I think the black honey would be a real crowdpleaser, but wasn't very tobacco.

Captain was great, but possibly too much for all day. I'd probably pick the captain as the best tobacco from this shake n vape off.

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by redbeard1083about 10 years agoMixologist

i've been messing with tobaccos lately. so far, as a standalone flavor, inawera AM4A is probably my favorite. i still have some more exploration to go, but that's a very solid one.

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by ilikeycoffeeabout 10 years agoExtractor

Absolutely fantastic post. So many fruity cream custard posts... everywhere on the Internets for DiY; love seeing comprehensive tasting notes and testing of tobacco flavours. Thank you so much.

If it's not too much to ask, keep it up! Would love to see your take on the various RY4s from the different companies.

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by zdigglerabout 10 years ago

I like Western form TFA, Mid Night Rider is also pretty good tobacco.

BRY4 from Nude is also very good tobacco.

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by clinodevabout 10 years agoVanillinist

Mmm, BRY4 @ 1% by itself is really nice. It's hard to mess up NN Tobacco, really.

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by BuryMeInSmokeabout 10 years ago

Very thorough, good tasting method/notes, thanks for posting.

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by happinessanddisasterabout 10 years ago

I'm not a tobacco lover but black honey sounds interesting. Thanks for your notes!

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by thewomberchombyabout 10 years agoProud Sidebar Reader!

I've just recently returned to tobacco flavors and this was an excellent read. Very thorough, very well written. Captain and Black Honey are definitely on my must buy list now. Thanks for writing this up, and I'd love to get an update on these mixes in a few weeks!

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by onmywaydownnowabout 10 years agoMixologist

This is excellent man thaks!

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by sixfiveliveabout 10 years ago

Nice reviews. You may want to try the FA tobaccos out between 1-3%, some of them even lower. They have to steep as do most, but they generally have changes even between those low percents. 5 and 10% is a huge amount of FA.

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by queuetueabout 10 years ago

I was prepared to call BS on this comment from a test as I dropped from 5 to 4, 3, and 2.5%, and then, completing my series, I hit 1.25% on 7 leaves, and ... Wow, that's quite a bit better. It's now too sweet from the VG in my opinion, but flavor balance and aroma have improved dramatically.

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by sixfivelivealmost 10 years ago

Yeah. FA tobaccos tend to be good at lower percents. FA in general really. Some of those FE ones are like that too, thats probably why they seem light and taste of alcohol. They're good low, then between certain %s, they go away, and then come back at higher %s Its so crazy how that works. FA Bitter Wizard can be used to tone down sweetness from VG. (edit: I just saw you're already using it in other things)

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by surfishermanabout 10 years ago

Actually there is a TON of info out there about tobacco flavors , just not looking in the right place.

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by ilikeycoffeeabout 10 years agoExtractor

Links or it ain't real ;)

The main folks who everyone looks to for good recipe ideas (HIC etc) seem to focus a hella lot of fruity sweet cream custard butter stuff. I have found some good threads here and there on tobacco forward flavors and recipes, but a lot of them are dated (like several years ago).

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by surfishermanalmost 10 years ago

Sorry for the late response , my computer was down for a week .

Yeah, your right about the sweet stuff and "HIC" does have a good rep .

There are some real recipe gems on the net but i haven't found them yet .

I would love a good tobacco recipe , maybe HIC's (light cigarette ) recipe is good i haven't tried it.

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