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Techniques for adjusting recipes
submitted about 10 years ago by Jigsaw314

I've noticed when following "professional" DIYers (if that's even a thing) that many of you create somewhere between 4-110 variations of a proposed recipe and start testing them after a steep period. Personally I hate throwing away juice, or vaping a mediocre juice just to get rid of it. I hate wasting ingredients, or anything for that matter (I'm the kind of guy that finishes your plate at a restaurant). Over time I've gotten to know my flavors better and can now put together recipes (sometimes lol) based on intuition and experience from similar flavor profiles. A technique I've started employing is something like:

  1. Make a recipe in my mind and document it as 30ml on ELR. Make it. May contain 2-8 ingredients. I will be extremely conservative on flavour amounts, often totalling around 10% (mostly TA/Capella). Probably less if I had INW/FA.

  2. Steep for 2 weeks without nictotine

  3. Add nicotine (usually 1mg for me)

  4. Taste it knowing that it will be weak, and start deciding which flavors I'd like to taste more of. I find this the easiest way to know what is missing or what is dominating the profile.

  5. As a few mls disappear from the bottle during tasting, I start upping the percentages 0.5-1% at a time (mixing by weight this is easy). Adjust ELR recipe with 'adapt recipe' function, making new versions. Usually my finished versions are around 13-15% flavor.

  6. Keep shaking and vaping until the flavour is balanced and I'm happy. I've never gone too far with a particular flavor but I have past versions saved if I need to roll back a version or two. The juice is probably still vapeable even if this happens.

  7. Make a completely new batch (30ml) using the new adjusted final recipe. While it steeps I get to finish the completed tester bottle.

So far every time I've done this the fresh bottle has been even better than the tester, probably because all of the flavor had steep time rather than just most of it.

For those of you (like me) that don't buy 4oz flavors or gallons of VG, you may find this technique helps you create good recipes at a hobby level without wasting ingredients.

Feel free to tell my why my technique sucks if you can see something wrong with it :-)

EDIT: Fixed illiterate sentence

TL;DR: To avoid wasting ingredients, make 30ml batches of weak juice then add more ingredients to taste

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by vapingrammyabout 10 years agoOne of "The Damned"

Can you add after its steeped for 2 weeks?

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by Nuresto213about 10 years ago

The nic? If so then yes, I always add nic after steep so the nic doesn't have as much chance to oxidize.

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by vapingrammyabout 10 years agoOne of "The Damned"

Oh ok. Great idea.

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by Jigsaw314about 10 years ago

Good question. I certainly do, but I'd be interested to hear from someone who understands this on a molecular level. I did state that making a fresh bottle with the adjusted recipe usually comes out better than the testing bottle.

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by vapingrammyabout 10 years agoOne of "The Damned"

I just hate throwing the old bottle out. It may not be the accepted method but to keep from wasting it I'm gonna try it.

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by dragginbabyvapesabout 10 years agoMixologist

I sorta do this with some of my more "bland" recipes, but I've found other things, I've got to just throw out shit when it isn't working - like if I added waaaaay too much cinnamon. That's not something I'll ever be able to correct, ya know?

I also start out with 10 ML batches, so I don't feel as guilty about throwing it away - but I still get that whole "Welp, that just wasted 1.87" thing.

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by Jigsaw314about 10 years ago

This is why I start with 30ml, and only add 0.5-1% at a time. It is almost impossible to overdo a flavor, and there's enough juice to make at least 5-6 adjustments before the total volume gets too low.

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by iwillnoteatgreeneggsabout 10 years ago

I use a similar, but different technique.

For every single flavor concentrate I use, I mix up about ml of it in varying percentages. I keep notes for about 2 weeks as to how the flavor progresses with age.

Once I have that data in my flavor book, I have a sense of how it's going to work with other flavors to progress, and how potent it starts and finishes.

When I build the recipe, I already know what's going to happen, it's literally just a matter of exact % amounts to get the nuances that I seek.

So I mix up generally 3-4 small mixes with minor percentage differences, to see what works best. After about 2-3 weeks of testing, I have a sense at this point if one of the mixes is superior, or if I need to recalibrate from there, or if there are very minor tweaks (adding smooth if the flavor is too harsh, adding sweetener if I have to though I try to avoid it.

I find that some flavors significantly change just in a week or so, while others either start potent and finish weak, or vice-versa.

Once I've gotten what I believe to be the correct blend of flavors I am looking for, I mix a few larger batches and follow the same testing procedure, as well as blindly giving them to friends to test.

When I say blindly, I simply number the bottles and track their feedback without telling them age, steeping, or what flavor to expect. This part is crucial to the process, because without any frame of reference they will tell me if they are getting something I missed, and how to describe the flavor for sale.

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by Botboy141about 10 years agoGunner's Gold Gourmet E-Juice

My only issue with this is how much I vape...

When I mix a 30ml tester for a new flavor, it's gone in a day after it has steeped. I prefer to taste test over the course of an entire day as your palette adjusts throughout the day, vapers tongue may become prevalent with certain flavors, and certain flavor profiles grow on me after I'be vaped them for a bit.

For example, I have a Pomegranate/Banana Cream juice that just seems weird to most folks when you first pick it up. After two-three hours of vaping though, you can't put it down. For this reason, I make many variations of a single recipe and vape them in their entirety while taking notes and making adjustments to the next version.

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by hectomanerabout 10 years ago

yeah, i'm at the point where my 'testers' are 120ml bottles. If it is any good, if I'm lucky 20ml will see some actual steep time.

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by Jigsaw314about 10 years ago

I did this technique yesterday with a strawberry banana custard for about 2 hours (I never vape 'all day', usually just a few hours in the evening). I went through about 9ml on 0.16ohm coils, which is pretty easy to do on that setup, but I could have just as easily used a magma and only 3ml. The last 6ml were vaped without any adjustments to the recipe, just tasting and enjoying. I'm looking forward to trying some more today to see if I'm still happy with it. No more adjustments on this bottle though, just more field testing.

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by meanrockSDabout 10 years ago

Start with 30+ ml and add flavoring gradually from a low starting point or make 10 to 15ml groups of of the same mix with adjusted brands at slightly low flavor concentrations and add to taste. Let every mix set for 7 days (12 for creams and custards). Add nicotine only to finished or near finished recipes.

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by torturedzenabout 10 years agoMixologist

I've been mixing for about 10 months and always added nic as the last ingredient prior to steeping. I just assumed nic was a required part of the chemical process when the flavors began to come together. Have I been inadvertently sabotaging my juices? They have always turned out good this way....or so I thought. Is there additional time needed after adding the nic later? Regardless, I'll try adding my nic AFTER the aging process. Hopefully I'll be pleasantly surprised!

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by dude_chalmost 10 years ago

As I upvoted /u/meanrockSD 's reply above for a nice tl;dr I also read that most advanced DIYers recommended sampling each flavor with and without nic.

I also think the recommendation of adding the nic "after a first steeping" (7 days or 12+ for creams & custards) makes sense regarding nic degradation.

But also like you I'm now wondering if an extra steeping period is needed, and in how much time the nic starts to affect the flavor profile.

Your feedback will be greatly appreciated but I'll also report back any findings since I'll be using this method from now on :)

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