I'm working on a cloning experience to share with the sub & sort of a tutorial for those interested in recreating a juice. I had been working with rayon wicks on 2 identical mod/rba setups, and thought I had the juice nailed down - at least 90-95% accurate. For the final test, I rebuilt with cotton, and the difference between the original and my clone blew me away. The original had a MUCH stronger flavor on cotton than the clone - on cotton my clone is like dust, and the original very flavorful.
Any of you more experienced guys have any idea why this would be the case?
Yo kirk, you're supposed to use clean rayon, not the stuff you already used to take off your eyeliner after the "Norwalk Drag Nights."
You think the mascara is throwing it off-flavors?
Guess I should listen to you since you have extensive experience. Did you ever get that issue worked out with your fake tits?
Sorry to hear they wouldn't let you back in Thailand. I guess every country has its limits.
^^^Oh ^^^yeah ^^^I ^^^went ^^^there...
I wonder if it even has something to do with the actual juice.
There is a local shop that makes its own juice. He uses rayon exclusively in his own builds, and I have found that his juice is WAYYYY better with rayon in mine. When I use cotton, it goes flat.
Perhaps the flavours of different juices are "built" for different wicks, and no one has noticed yet. That could explain why different people think different juices are the "best": their build closely matches their favorite juice's creator's build.
Yeah, this is what I want to explore.
Are you going to explore mixing for the best on both? Also, are you doing this to gear up for selling? I just don't remember, and am mobile.
I'm going to start from scratch on cotton. Well, not really from scratch because I think I have the flavors correct, just proportions.
I have no plans to sell at the moment. This is to prepare a post for the sub on my cloning process, to hopefully help others and to start a discussion on the cloning process in general.
Without having done the testing, the wicking properties stand out as the culprit, as well as the heat transferal from the coil to the wick, and how well the wick gives up the liquid to be vapriized.
In theory though - wouldn't you think the "wicking properties & heat transfer" should be similar enough in Rayon that they would produce a similar result in cotton wicks?
Shitty wicking/installation of rayon?
Did you pick your cotton from jack's magic bean stalk way up in the clouds or something?
IDK, man. I've always gotten much stronger flavour/more clarity of flavour/less muting/increased perception/ability to discern notes from rayon than cotton. I haven't used cotton since sometime in December because of it; not to mention rayon handling high-wattage chain-vaping more efficiently.
No, I deliberately made both coils & wicks identical. Cotton is Japanese organic, rayon is that same sally beauty stuff everyone bought 12 months ago I used the Rayon for clone development because of it's ability to dry-hit & recover, which I exploited for different iterations. I was blown away when the cotton showed such a distinct difference.
Which wick did you roll first? Did you wash your hands before making the wicks? Oil transfer from skin can mute flavours sometimes, I've found.
I don't know if this will help, but I've found that I can wick more densely with rayon than cotton, i.e. I use more material with rayon wicks than with cotton wicks. Cotton packs together when it's moistened, while rayon expands (or so it seems). I've found the flavor with rayon to be better, and it seems to wick the juice more quickly.
I've found the opposite; cotton expands so you can wick looser; rayon does not so you must wick tighter.
It seems like the ends of the rayon wicks expand more, covering the juice ports on my Billow 2 better. Maybe because I use more rayon and I wasn't using enough cotton. I'm using rayon exclusively in RTAs now, and saving the cotton for my RDAs.
Did you rewick with cotton after it confused you? Maybe those wicks were bunk? Did you rewick with rayon and try the juice again? I would try to see if either the original wicks were some how adding flavor or if the new wicks were just fucked up. I'd also maybe step away from the whole set up for a few hours and drink some water and cleanse my pallet and come back and see if it was just my taste buds. Idk
I re-wicked both RDAs each time with each iteration of the clone. I had it dialed in with rayon - they were so damn close. WIth cotton - drastic difference. I plan on going back to step 1 and doing it with cotton and seeing what the result is.
I was super curious about this post and hearing what you guys will have to say. I have learned that there is no consensus and that people seem to have to contradictory experiences. I haven't actually tried rayon yet as I've always been happy with cotton. Is it worth it?
I don't know the reasoning behind it but I've had the same experiences between rayon and cotton. Rayon seems to gives a cleaner/crisper taste than cotton. Going from rayon to cotton, it almost like you are vaping through a filter flavor-wise.
I don't really notice a flavor difference when either are fresh but the Rayon will perform much longer and wick much better. Like cotton there are different Rayons some better than others. When I started rayon a year ago or so, I never went back . Being lazy Is part of it. Rayon is less work because of the longer life.
Did you ever end up figuring this out?
I'm going to be picking up some rayon this weekend for use in my mixing RDA's, so I'm just curious mostly.
I actually have some of the Cotton Cellucotton that they also offer (that I ordered thinking it was the rayon stuff) from Amazon that I'll try out as well.
Had a busy week... no mixing at all unfortunately. Might mess around with it tonight.