I know, I know. It's that time again. The girlfriend really wants it, and I feel like it's possible. Well almost...
Here's the thing: I'm really struggling to get the pumpkin to pop! Found some recipes online and I'm trying to make a ~~better~~ good version. Here's the recipe (as of now) that I'm working on:
Pumpkin Spice Latte (V1)
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Pumpkin (TPA) - 10%
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Bavarian Cream (TPA) - 3%
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Cappuccino (TPA) - 1%
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Caramel (TPA) - 1%
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Marshmallow (TPA) - 1%
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Cinnamon Danish (TPA) - 1 Drop Per 10ml
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Holiday Spice (TPA) - 1 Drop Per 10ml (Thinking of omitting this)
Just about everything is on point for what I'm going for, but that damned pumpkin will not dominate. I feel like even at 10% it's a background note.
The Holiday Spice is... interesting. Very powerful and adds an almost fruit cake flavor to it. Still deciding if it's working with this mix or not. I feel it will if the pumpkin can take the main stage!
So what do you do to make the pumpkin more pronounced? I have just about every TPA/TFA flavor on hand.
i'm by no means an expert on this, but i've spent the last little bit of time reading up on pumpkin spice from a molecule standpoint. the basic makeup of pumpkin spice is: cinnamon, nutmeg, allspice, cloves, ginger, and perhaps burnt maple/buttery stuff/vanillin.
what i found really interesting was that while "natural" pumpkin spice may contain 300+ flavor molecules, our brain is really good about "filling in the blanks" when presented with just 5-10% of those molecules. so you get only 5-10% of the flavors in "natural" pumpkin spice, but your brain interpolates the rest of them and says "hey! pumpkin pie!"
so, going through TFA's spec sheets and searching CAS numbers i'm gonna take a stab at making a pumpkin spice flavor. here are some notes:
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Gingerbread -- Cinnamon, Vanillin, Terpenes (nutmeg), Eugenol (clove/allspice) + Coconut/Nut/Macadamia notes, Maltol, A+AP (Yup, no ginger molecules)
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Chai Tea (might make a good base, several sources say if one attempts pumpkin spice using dry herbs it is more akin to chai than actual pumpkin spice) -- Ethyl Vanillin/Vanillin, Terpenes, Eugenol + trace/minor floral notes, citrus notes, eucalyptus notes, fruit notes
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Pumpkin Spice - Cinnamon, Eugenol + EM, Acetoin, Coconut/Cream notes. (Will probably skip this)
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RY4 Double (not for base notes, but accents) -- EM, Cyclotene (maple), Vanillin (that's all that's in RY4D btw)
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Lemon -- Terpenes
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Cinnamon -- Tons of cinnamon, trace notes of eugenol, citrus, and terpenes.
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Cinnamon Red Hot -- Cinnamon, trace fruit and eugenol
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Clove - EUGENOL + PG
TFA does not appear to carry any flavors with ginger molecules: Zingerone, Zingiberene, Gingerol, or Shogaol. Will look into NF Ginger + others.
I'm very interested to see what a mix of Chai Tea + Gingerbread + RY4 + Lemon yields. Putting in orders now for these and a few other flavors.
edit:
I've also compiled some ratio notes from cooking recipes:
Cinnamon|Ginger|Nutmeg|Cloves|Allspice :---|---:|---:|---:|---: 4|2|1|0|1 8|2|2|1|0 12|4|4|1|0 18|4|4|3|3
Holy shit! I didn't intend for anyone to research for me, I really appreciate it!
That sounds like a crazy mix, but when broken down it makes sense, I'll go double check I got everything and check it out!
I've got some really strong ginger flavoring, I'll dilute the hell out of it and see what I can come up with.
Thanks again!
> I have just about every TPA/TFA flavor on hand.
I didn't catch this part. I would be extremely interested in your thoughts if you decide to play around with these flavors.
http://www.ift.org/Knowledge-Center/Learn-About-Food-Science/Food-Facts/Pumpkin-Spice-101.aspx
It seems as though, if you successfully made a pumpkin spice latte recipe you should sell it because according to that article which another user led to me by mentioning that they don't use pumpkin flavor in pumpkin spice, it contains ~300 flavor molecules. Keep in mind each flavor is not one flavor molecule but a mixture of many. It could end up being impossible to recreate pumpkin spice simply using the mixes of flavor molecules at our disposal from the various vendors since it could be a combination only possible with a perfect ratio of the pure molecules which are mostly unknown to us.
Or you could just say fuck it and ask the staff at your local coffee shop to fill your girlfriend's vape up with pumpkin spice syrup and add nicotine to that shit.
Finish it off by making a scene in the coffee shop about how she expects too much of you, wanting you to accomplish the work of many flavor scientists collaborating in a laboratory setting on your own in your house.
i mean, here's a start: cinnamic aldehydes for cinnamon, eugenol for clove or allspice, terpenes such as sabinene for nutmeg, and zingiberene for ginger. They may also contain vanillin and cyclotene for the burnt butter or maple notes to round off the flavor.
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Damn super helpful! I should have done a more thorough googling. Now I have a perfect excuse as to why I can't make it for her!
I really like your second idea, way more fun then just mixing up a flavor. Lemme just eyeball some 100mg/ml for her hahah
Thanks for the lulz!
A strawberry has over 50 aroma molecules responsible for making it a strawberry, but it only takes about 10 molecules to make a flavouring reminiscent of strawberry.
BTW: I have a pumpkin spice concentrate. It's not any brand that anyone here on reddit knows of. Put a drop or two of the resulting juice on your coil & you can taste it for hours. Shit is ridiculously strong, & it's spot-on pumpkin spice.
Drop the pumpkin to 5%, add 1% hazelnut and let it steep for 2 weeks. Also drop the holiday spice, and replace it with cinnamon danish.
I'll give that a shot! Thanks a lot!
No problem. 10% was probably too high, and muting itself. If you lower the percentage and let it steep, you're almost guaranteed to end up with a better result.
I'm loving pumpkin pie spice tpa at the moment, imo better than holiday spice. A bit less potent also. I diluted holiday spice at 10% in pg so I was using between 0.5-2% which comes out as 0.05-0.2% of the flavouring. That should allow you to get the exact spice amount you're looking for.
This is a tough one, and frankly, /u/billgarmsarmy did a lot of the work I'd have done for you, so thank that man profusely -- that DeeperDIY info is super-useful! Personally, I'd go with CAP Pumpkin Pie (Spice) or TFA Gingerbread as the lead note in my pumpkin spice latte. As others have said, there's really no pumpkin flavors in pumpkin spice, but my all means leave it in there. NF Ginger really would be a smart buy, and I've heard good things about INW Spicy Biscuit too (a gingerbread type cookie flavor).
To complement & enhance the Pumpkin flavor directly:
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Nature's Flavors offers an organic, alcohol-based Pumpkin Pie flavoring extract](http://www.naturesflavors.com/organic-pumpkin-pie-flavor-extract-without-diacetyl/p60405/).
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LA offers a Pumpkin & a Butternut (or similar name? it's the only squash flavor I know of) flavor that might help.
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TFA Yam (Sweet Potato tastes much like Pumpkin)
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FA Maple Syrup/Butterscotch/Molasses (maple/butterscotch notes will help enhance the pumpkin).
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Silver Cloud Estates (sold on Amazon) flavorings makes a highly-regarded Pumpkin Pie flavor.
If I think of any others, I'll let you know -- maybe TFA Taro, but that's a long shot, I think.
I got this idea so stuck in my head, I went ahead and ordered pumpkin pie and ginger direct from NF even though I generally try not to spend that much on any significant quantity of flavoring. Especially flavoring I've never used.
Lemme know how yours comes out! I'm going to be ordering said flavors as well, this TFA/TPA stuff feels way more complicated then it needs to be!
here's what i picked up:
TFA Gingerbread
TFA Gingerbread Cookie
TFA Lemon
TFA Pumpkin
TFA Clove
TFA Holiday Spice
TFA Chai
CAP Pumpkin Pie (Spice)
CAP Gingerbread
CAP Chai Tea
FW Pumpkin Spice
FW Gingerbread
FW Ginger
FA Cappuccino
FA Coffee Espresso
FA Jamaican Rum
FA Clove
NF Pumpkin Pie
NF Ginger
Yeah I wasn't expecting anyone to put in that much work! Above and beyond for sure.
And thank you for all the advice as well. Love this subreddit!
With what we came up with it's smelling pretty on point, except the pumpkin needs to come out more. Currently steeping like 6 variations and I'll report back in 2 weeks!
And thanks so much for the DeeperDIY posts. Such good reads and valuable information! Infinite upvotes!
I will take your suggestions and do an order of flavors!
A touch of rum flavor might help accent the pumpkin.
There was a thread last fall that was talking about there being absolutely no pumpkin in Starbucks' Pumpkin Latte. Wish I could remember who it was. :(
I'm not sure if you know this, but Capella makes a pumpkin spice that you may want to experiment with