First off, I wanted to apologize for not being around as much as I'd like recently, both as a contributor and as a moderator for this sub. Things have been beyond crazy at Cloudmaker, putting the first batch of units into production & Jeremy flying to China to oversee the final phase of manufacturing before deliveries can start later this month. But I miss you guys, and I've got some surprises for you all in the coming weeks! But first, the recipe -- I posted this mix in the Sept. Recipe Thread for posterity too, but the notes got so long & detailed, I decided it should have its own post.
Cinapple Fritter v2.1 [DIYorDIE: returnity]
Ingredient|ml|g|% :---|---:|---:|---: Almond (FA)|0.15|0.15|0.5 Bavarian Cream (TPA)|0.9|0.9|3 Cinnamon Danish Swirl (CAP)|1.5|1.5|5 Dragonfruit (TPA)|0.2|0.2|0.67 Fuji Apple (FA)|1.2|1.2|4 Joy (FA)|0.15|0.15|0.5 Rich Cinnamon (Flavorah)|0.1|0.11|0.33 Totals|30|36.63|100
MaxVG4lyfe, 86% VG / 14% PG.
Recipe Notes:
This is the recipe I bought FA Joy to make: a legit apple fritter. Granted, it's had a long and tortured birth process, when Joy was not what I expected, but I adapted and reworked things, and after 2 complete-restarts & 7-8 versions, I've got something really close to amazing. Here's how it all comes together:
CAP Cinnamon Danish Swirl's doughy pastry notes get drawn out to the forefront brilliantly by FA Joy & FA Almond together, and the TFA Bavarian Cream adds a moist, textured mouthfeel and decadence to it.
FA Fuji delivers perfectly on the Apple notes, as expected. I've considered several ways to enhance the apple component, including TFA/FA Apple Pie, Pear, and a touch of TFA Dragonfruit (components list). I ended up going with TFA Dragonfruit for two reasons.
One, it has a high % of triethyl citrate, which has emulsifying properties that are particularly useful in a mix like this, which has natural cinnamon flavors in it (ever notice how CAP Cinnamon Danish tends to separate in its bottle?). The second reason is basic Deeper DIY -- ethyl butyrate & isoamyl acetate, both found in TFA Dragonfruit, are complementary to FA Fuji, as both compounds are often used in apple and similar flavors themselves. Therefore, a touch of TFA Dragonfruit not only adds some extra juicy tartness to the apple filling flavor, it helps the cinnamon blend into the apple flavor, creating "Cinnamon Apples" instead of "Cinnamon + Apples", so to speak. Credit for this inspiration goes to /u/FunkMast3r, whose recipe (revised & shared by /u/ID10T) turned me onto the idea of using TFA Dragonfruit in a bakery recipe, whereas I'd only previously used it like this in fruity/creamy recipes, like /u/fizzmustard originally discussed. FA MTS Vape Wizard could possibly help with this too -- /u/Enyawreklaw once likened MTS to 'putting your ingredients in the blender' in his Boardwalk milkshake recipe on DIYorDIE, and I think that's fairly accurate.
Speaking of cinnamon, FLV Rich Cinnamon is unmatched by any other cinnamon flavors, and it really shines best in a bakery mix like this one. There's no substitute, so if you don't have it, get it -- but you can make this recipe without it. I feel that dropping it works better than trying to substitute FA Cinnamon Ceylon, which is painfully lackluster beside the FLV. My only regret? I can't use more Rich Cinnamon without overwhelming the balance of the recipe...
Modifications & Tweaks:
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No FLV Rich Cinnamon? Increase CAP CDS by 1-2% and leave it out, or substitute FA Cinnamon Ceylon at same %.
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Want even more doughy pastry? Add 1% FA Apple Pie or 2-3% TFA Apple Pie.
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Too complex? TFA Dragonfruit & FA Almond are highly-recommended but not strictly required.
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Swap CAP Cinnamon Danish for TFA Cinnamon Danish or FW Cinnamon Roll to get a different character of cinnamon-pastry.
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Diketone-free version: This will clear the recipe of any unwanted baddies, but I haven't mixed it myself, so I can't promise it will be equally delicious, but it should still be good.
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Swap CAP Cinnamon Danish Swirl for CDS V2, same %.
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Swap TFA Bavarian Cream for new CAP Bavarian Cream (no A/P or DA) or TFA's Bavarian Cream DX, same %.
If you do mix it up, with or without variations, please let us know! I hope you all enjoy this recipe as much as I enjoy this community.
Thanks to popular demand and a constant stream of requests/PMs/emails, I've been compiling a bunch of my best recipes to post on DIYorDIE, along with a series of articles about Deeper DIY topics & some other cool stuff I've put together over the years. I intended to do this a while back when /u/Enyawreklaw and I started our DIY project together, but I've been lagging, and meanwhile this sub is becoming /r/Bronuts without me... Clearly Wayne can handle himself just fine, which is why I wanted him as a mixing collaborator in the first place, but I'm not gonna let some "YungLungz" punk outmix me! He's been nice enough to give me a spot on his site to settle the score. =P
Awesome write up. And very smart, addressing possible substitutions. That should save you about 30 replies.
I love FA Fuji, but only in complex recipes like this. ~~I can't wait to make it.~~ Steeping now.
Thanks.
Can't wait to hear what you think! And yeah, I think context notes are almost as crucial as the recipe itself, plus when I see a recipe that has this kind of detail, I know how much time & thought went into it, and that makes me more likely to mix it, instead of just working on my own blends. I don't often post recipes here, partly because of the amount of effort involved in doing all these notes, but mostly because I don't come here looking to mix other people's recipes -- I come here to be inspired by their ideas to use in my own recipes, if that makes sense? I'm going to be posting a few of my gems every month now on DIYorDIE, though, so hopefully people will learn something from the write-ups! =)
No rich cinnamon, but this recipe looks bomb-diggity, as the kids say. Also. I blame anything with isoamyl acetate in it for the fucking bees lingering around me and my pockets.
That's also the only one I'm missing too, I knew I should have just gotten one of everything when Flavorah had their sale!
Haven't mixed this or anything, 2 flavors short unfortunately, but major props to your formatting man. This should be the standard for recipes, notes like these can seriously help new DIYers progress their mixing.
Thanks, being a mod and all, I feel like I should lead by example... also, my OCD compels me to do it. I edited this post like 6 times.
Lookin sexy, Returnity. You're gunna make me finally pick up CDS & rich cinnamon
IDK how you made it this far without CDS, but Rich Cinnamon is really a knockout.
I've been meaning to pick it up for 11 months now but never have....hahaha. If I put $2 more on my prepaid card I could've picked up Rich Cinnamon with my order last night from gremlin -_- it was in my cart.
> Rich Cinnamon (Flavorah)
Nooooooooo! almost had all of the ingredients...
Edit: and thank you for the Modifications & Tweaks section.
No FA Almond, but I'm gonna give this a spin without it. Been on a huge apple kick lately. Thanks!
I'd love to hear what other apples you've been into -- I really haven't branched out much beyond FA Fuji & FA Apple due to how excellent those are for my purposes. Also down to see some recipes you like with those flavors, of course. Haven't explored too deep in the apple territory yet.
Fuji is king. But I also enjoy TFA Apple Candy and HS Apple Mix, which is like a spiced cider type apple. TFA Green Apple is gross to me. I really like using Apple Candy + Apple Mix for a slightly spicy, candied apple, as seen here:
Ingredient|% :---|---:| 10% Menthol|3 Apple Candy (TPA)|1 Apple Mix (Hangsen)|2 Koolada 10% (TPA)|1 Sour (TPA) [I've stopped using this]|1 Sweet Watermelon (CAP)|3 Sweetener (FW)|0.3 Watermelon (TPA)|1
This was an interesting failure:
Ingredient|% :---|---:|---:|---: Anise Extract (Mine)|2 Apple Mix (Hangsen)|5 Red Cola (Hangsen)|6 Sweetener|1
I had this recipe set to private, it ended up being pretty decent, but I made it before I had FA Fuji. I've since had Danish-style recipes that are much better with Fuji. Overall though, I was pleased at the time with how it came out. It tastes like garbage to me now, though. And, yeah, way too much CDS.
Ingredient|% :---|---:|---:|---: Apple Candy (TPA)|2 Apple Mix (Hangsen)|3 Bavarian Cream (TPA)|2 Cinnamon Danish Swirl (CAP)|10 Vanilla Custard v1 (CAP)|1
Just made this with the addition of FA Apple Pie at 1% and replaced the Fuji with Bilberry at 2.83%(didn't have Rich Cinnamon and wanted even numbers).
As a shake and vape, this is amazing. If the Bilberry starts to come out a little more as the Danish Swirl mellows out, this could easily be an ADV of mine. If not, I'll probably add another Blueberry flavor to make the Bilberry shine. Either way, great job and thank you!
I mixed this without FLV rich cinnamon and it taste great, Day 1, the cinnamon is strong with no fuji apple in it. Day 2, the fuji and cinnamon blended perfectly like they are one. I have been vaping it for the past couple of days, now I can't distinguish the fuji from the cinnamon. I wanted more of the apple to be pronounced. I don't want to increase the % on Fuji as I think 4% is already alot. Do you think adding another component of apple will fit in to give me more apple flavor? and maybe reduce the Cinnamon danish to 4%?
returnity I love your work buddy. <3 - No Caramel in this mix? .. I did a similar mix with FLV Cinnamon Crunch , TFA Toasted Almonds, and some creams. Trying to get closer to Apple Cin Chereos. Great work man. You are one strong vertebrate in the backbone of the DIY scene. Props! You tamed that Dragon on this one.
Your recipe looks like it was made using this one as a basis. http://www.reddit.com/r/DIY_eJuice/comments/3fd06j/august_2015_monthly_recipe_thread/ctpyb0x I'm not mad about it or anything. I just couldn't pass on pointing it out. The almond and Joy will definitely make a great addition and the Bavarian cream simplifies a 3 part cream. I'll be trying it out when my joy gets here.
I'm appreciate you sharing the link, and I'm going to edit my OP Recipe Notes with it so people can see other takes on this idea. I think it's clear from my comment there that I saw that recipe at one point, and took some inspiration from it in the development of my own -- specifically, the use of TFA Dragonfruit. However, if you want to accurately attribute credit for that idea, /u/fizzmustard put us all onto that with his OG DeeperDIY-style breakdown of the flavor forever ago. I just hadn't considered using it in a bakery flavor before, and it made a nice addition to the apple fritter recipe I'd already been working on for some time. That's how DIY is supposed to work, in a nutshell. =)
I always try to share credit whenever I can -- it costs me nothing, and it helps us all. I appreciate the intent of your post was to support that, and it disappoints me that some other commenters didn't grasp that (and even confused you with the two recipe creators the link is about), but I won't hold it against you. Cheers!
P.S. A small component of the DIYrepubliq project site I'm working on is an automated 'similar recipes' listing on all recipes, based on the overlap between flavors & similarities in user flavor tags (which will be similar to JuiceDB's new, much-improved tagging system. It's only a small part of a really big project & a lot of collaborations are going into trying to evolve the way we mix, but this aspect not only makes it really easy to find similar recipes when you're looking for substitutions or improvements for your own version. It seemed relevant to mention here because it also would incidentally prevent 'stealing' of recipes by automatically linking back to earlier versions, without any cross-attribution of credit & implications of 'ownership' between the two recipes which could generate controversy or drama. This thread is a great example of the kind of silliness that could be avoided entirely.
Well I'm glad you saw it for what it was. The fact that that recipe helped you make a connection in your own and the one before that did the same for the one that I linked is a great example of how this community can help itself. I'm just getting started and I'm trying to learn as much as I can. I know a lot of people just want recipes and I'm in that crowd as well but I also want develop some of my own. If your recipe is as good as I think it will be, it'll be another great example of evolution. There aren't enough musical notes for every song to be completely original and there aren't enough flavors for every juice to be completely unique either.
That's exactly why I'm glad you got the link for me, because I could not agree more about the process of recipe development. In fact, I've been working on an article with some insights I've gotten from analyzing my own development process. Might take me some time to wrap it up, but I plan to share it once it's coherent enough to be useful.
> Your recipe looks like it was made using this one as a basis.
... That's kind of a huge stretch, they aren't nearly similar enough to suggest either was based off of the other.
Really? It looks like he wanted to make it but lacked a few ingredients so he simplified the cream. Then just added some complexity on the other end. Again, I ain't even mad and it could be a complete coincidence but the similarities are remarkable.
I have well over 400 flavors at last count -- I used Bavarian Cream because I think it's better this way, after having made somewhere around 25 versions of this recipe over the past couple months since FA Joy was released (and searching across the entirety of the internet for other similar recipes for inspiration when I needed some to move forward). That's just DIY.
Wow- looks like you got the bums rush, and no props. From a mod, with commercial interests. Ouch.
Um. How? The only shared ingredients are CDS, Fuji, and Dragonfruit. The only one at the same percentage is Fuji, and that's what almost everyone uses it as. At least in an apple prominent recipe. CDS has a one percent difference, but it's a supporting ingredient which needs around that percentage to stand out. Dragonfruit is commonly used as a binder at one percent or lower.
Don't accuse our mods for "stealing" a recipe without giving credit. He shouldn't have to give credit in this case, since CDS and Fuji are used pretty commonly together at similar percentages.
I appreciate you coming to my defense, but it's all good. People who seriously mix like we do realize the things you posted intuitively after a while (I'd hope). Anyways, I agree I shouldn't be obligated to give credit at all, especially given my old comment on the link provides excellent exculpatory proof that I had my own recipe already under development before that one was posted.
However, I'm happy to share credit whenever I take an major, relevant inspiration from anyone's shared recipes. I always do my best to credit and thank people for their contributions to my mixing, but (once again, as real DIYers know) it's positively impossible to credit everyone involved in the process of developing your recipes.
Just take a look at my OP, which I've edited with the full credits & linkbacks too all the people & recipes that played a major role in my decision to use TFA Dragonfruit in this recipe. There's three different users & two different recipes listed there, just for one ingredient -- which perfectly illustrates the absurdity of claiming that not crediting everyone whose posts I may have seen/replied to and whose similar juices I've tasted when I post a recipe that uses similar flavors is the same thing as stealing a recipe. Since some people forget, stealing would be copying it 1:1 & re-selling/posting it as my own without credit.
Now that we've put that to bed, let's get back to publicly sharing our hard work and research for free with each other out mutual cooperation & goodwill. =P
Um. Hi dad. This is a forum of opinion not a court of law, so you can get in line to blow me. Do you suggest that this recipe in question played no part in OP's recipe? You do know that he commented as much in that recipes thread, right? Its not a felony case and im not calling OP a thief - i only think credit should be given when its due, however small, rather than implying that it all came out of solitary rigorous experimentation. Cmon, even wayne got a handy. Id be surprised he could even get it up again with all the circle jerking going on in here.
No. The recipe I referenced isn't mine. It's just one that I mixed recently. I don't think this is something that anyone should be upset about.
Really? He didn't get anything, from anyone, because he didn't even create the recipe he linked to. That said, he does get my thanks for posting the link so I could add it to my OP, because I'm always happy to share credit & discuss inspirations -- it takes nothing away from me, and it helps us all. There's no reason to create drama where there isn't any.
Also, I don't really see how my 'commercial interests' (lol) relate to this recipe or this post at all, or really even to this sub for that matter. I'm happy to be 100% transparent about everything I do business-wise with the entire subreddit (within reason), and I think that all mods should be similarly transparent. Radical transparency as a business philosophy has always been a part of my projects, as it naturally complements my open-source philosophy. Anyways, I'm not sure what you're implying, but I've long since learned not to take it personally on reddit.
They have a few very popular flavors in common. It could be "stolen" or maybe he came up with it on his own. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.