Let me begin the thread by saying that I've been trying to nail this one for a while but I've hit a "mixer's block" where I can't simply put a finger on how to do it.
Let's start by examining what people usually do for a Fruit Loops Style juice.
- TPA/TFA Fruit Circles and Berry Crunch
Well, we've all been there. The motherfreacking Fruit Circles.
While I didn't liked this flavor from the start (using it at 7%.. I wonder why) but as soon as I started to understand this flavor and overall play in the whole juice, I toned it down to 1% and this is in my opinion how it should be used. If you're trying to do a juice that tastes like the leftover milk from a Froot Loops/Fruity Pebbles you can't have the Lemon too strong, it needs just to be a hint and let the milk in it shine.
The Berry Crunch I feel that it complements the Fruit Circles really well at 1.5%. Why? Well, after too many atempts I figured that Berry Crunch needed to be toned down to, just like Fruit Circles, let the Milk shine and just be an undernote.
- FW Yellow Cake
This one I still can't figure out what it does in the whole mix, but it does something. I might be getting vapers tongue or something like that, but I simply can't taste it but I miss it when he's not there. Seeing the percentage that other mixers use, I decided that it should be at 1%.
These 3 Flavors make my whole "Fruit" base for the ejuice. Altough Yellow cake should be considered a "cream" part of the juice, in my opinion it's used to boost and complement the Fruit Circles. Same story for the Berry Crunch.
So the fruit base is:
- 1.5% TPA Berry Crunch
- 1% TPA Fruit Circles
- 1% FW Yellow Cake
Now here comes the worst part. How to achieve a Sweet Milk to put on front of the Fruit Circles combo? Easy I thought. Let's put Malted Milk, Sweet Cream, Vanilla Custard, Sugar Cookie and Bavarian Cream. It works, and it's a good vape. But it's not the Sweet Milk I'm aiming for, it always lacks on something. I've tried countless reiterations with almost every percentage that's possible but I'm almost sure that something is still missing.
Also, I tried playing with Fresh Cream, Meringue and almost everything that people usually use on these milk vapes.
My milk base is:
- 2% TPA Bavarian Cream
- 1.5% TPA Malted Milk
- 2% CAP Sweet Cream
- 4% CAP Vanilla Custard V2
My next batch will have CAP Cake Batter at a very low percentage to see if it does something.
What do you guys think and what would you do?
I apologize for any language mistake or word used, but English is not my mother language.
NINJA EDIT: I was vaping one of my complete juices (a strawberry Milkshake) and it came to my idea to use the exact same base that I use for it and instead of using Strawberry I'll put Fruit Circles and Lucky Leprechaun in it and I'll see what it does.
Yellow cake is neither part of the fruity bases or part of the creamy bases lol... It helps to make the "cereal grain" texture/flavour when mixed with FW Hazelnut & probably FA Bergamot.
I don't like bavarian cream. I don't like malted milk. I definitely don't like sweet cream and Cap custard is alright.
Try:
- 1 - 1.5% Fresh Cream FA
- 1% Vienna Cream FA
- 1% Vanilla Custard FLV
You wouldn't put bavarian cream, malted milk, sweet cream, & vanilla custard inside a glass & drink it and expect it to taste like sweet milk, would you?
+1 for flv vanilla custard, extremely great at this percentage for cereals.
Adding to the discussion of "The Milk/fruit loops or pebbles" style mixes, FE Lemon hits the lemon note very well. I also like to include a little orange to complete the citrus. Layering it with sweet fruits flavors also helps.
to be fair, lots of those are milk products, but i see where you're coming from
Bavarian, Malted, Sweet, & Custard are literally all milk products, they're made from milk; but they're not milk
I'd love to have TFA/CAP/etc Sweet Milk. Please?
But I get it, I'm just trying to emulate the taste in it, sometimes playing with different flavors you get something you weren't expecting.
I will definitely make room for the Fresh Cream. I'll start at 1% and play with it.
What? You said you were aiming for a sweet milk taste in your final mix.
Yup, sometimes you do get different things than you were expecting. You won't be getting a milk-like vape from that combination of flavours/percentages, though.
Fresh Cream really is the closest flavour to straight milk that I have found. 90% of the time I use it at 1% & it adds that perfect milky undertone, which often gets sweetened by other flavours I use, like peach or strawberry or FLV vanilla custard
I would change the maled milk to FA fresh cream at 2-3%
I don't know whether I would even use vanilla custard.
Looks like you are headed toward something nice!
Vanilla Custard is really a must in this juice. Fresh Cream at the percentage gives me a Panna Cotta flavor that is really not what I'm looking for, but I will try it.
Highly disagree. I sell a cereal milk flavor and fresh cream is crucial.
My base is a mix of sweet cream, fresh cream, dairy milk, marshmallow and sweeteners. Vanilla custard takes away from a milk feel and gives too much of a cream feel.
Yellow cake is for a cereal texture not for taste so much.
If you are going for a straight milk vape and not a cereal vape then drop the yellow cake, imo.
I do agree with your fruit base ideas though...I cringe when i see Fruit Circles higher than 2%.
FW Milk 3% Bavarian Cream 2% Cap Vanilla Custard 2%
Fruit seems a little bit weak imo.. 5% berry crunch would be a nice crunchy start maybe with some brown sugar
Have you tried a little (1-2%) TFA Marshmallow to help round out the cream?
It gives things a little fuller flavor and would make sense from a what-would-you-actually-have-in-leftover-cereal-milk perspective. Just my two cents. It looks like you have the makings of a really good recipe though. I'll be interested to see further iterations.
I believe I can help get you that milkiness. Do add cake batter, I think it pairs with fruit circles very well.
- Fruit Circles (fta) 3%
- Cake Batter (cap) 2%
- Cheesecake [graham crust] (tfa) 1.5%
- Sweet Cream (tfa) 1.5%
- Bavarian Cream (tfa) 1%
- Cream (flv) 0.5%
- Crunch Cereal (flv) 0.25%
- Toasted Marshmallow (tfa) 0.25%
Optional
- Sub Crunch Cereal (flv) with Biscuit (inw)
- Coconut (flv) 0.25% (trust me, so smooth and buttery)