So I've recently gotten into temperature control, and by recently I mean within the last 24 hours. While I'm still getting the hang of it, I've been starting at around 350F and tried a bunch of my mixes and I have to say WOW. There is such a big difference in flavor. Like huge. I'm noticing more subtleties that I have not noticed before.
Coming from using mechs and a subtank for a while, recipes I've made that I've enjoyed taste so much better now. I've seen recipes posted with temperature recommendations, I know /u/enyawreklaw has done a few. I just wanted to start a general discussion about temperature control and mixing.
Anyone with more experience optimize their recipes for temperature control?
Do your recipes stay the same, or are the percentages tweaked around a bit?
Just looking for general advice when it comes to temperature control and mixing. I did a little search on the sidebar and saw a few threads talking about temperature control, but I just wanted to pool together any advice from people more knowledgable on the subject.
Is temp control just calculating wattage and ohms? Thats just a shot in the dark I really would like to know what it is. I find many of my recpues are good at 1.4ohms while others are good at .5ohms
Temp control devices regulate the temperature of nickel coils. Because the combustion point of cotton is 420°F, so anything lower than that prevents browning of cotton and greatly reduces the risk of dry hits. Also gives you more control over the heat/coolness of your vape.
*Disclaimer: I do not yet own a TC device, so these are just things I've heard. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
TC constantly measures the resistance of the coil and adjusts voltage accordingly. Since a metal will normally increase in resistance as it heats up, the resistance gives you information on how hot the coil is. Wattage controlled devices already do this, but TC devices know the specific heat:resistance curve of nickel or titanium (since these are well studied industrial metals). This allows TC devices to maintain an approximate temperature. A normal wattage controlled device will modulate the voltage, but not quite enough to maintain temp, so it will still get hotter over time.
0.5Ω is my go to for builds a lot of the time, not too warm. Temp control regulates the wattage to the coil, nickel or titanium, is always the temperature you set it at. I'm starting at around 350F but I'll be going up a bit. I feel like with my other builds I was burning out a lot of flavor, this really packs a flavorful punch for me.
I have been absolutely loving my SX Mini M class for a while now using usually either the Marquis RDA Nickel build. Or Kanger Subtank Mini Nickel Coil Heads.
I don't tweak recipe's specifically for the temp controllers But I do Vape specific type recipe's in them.
I.E Custards and Creams, things that vape better warm.
(little secret, peanut butter vapes taste glorious on warm nickel temp builds. Such as my new Banana Peanut butter sandwich recipe called Elvis Lover)
Is this recipe posted anywhere? I've been chasing a banana pb recipe of my own, but have yet to be pleased with the results. Yours sounds deeeeelightful.
That's really interesting, I found that I really really liked my cream flavors a lot more with temp control. I've always felt that peanut butter and chocolate flavors are especially harsh, maybe finding the right temp might change that.
It may also have to do with how I make my Peanut Butter recipe's.
I'm extremely picky when it comes too peanut butter vapes. I make sure they are smooth rich creamy peanut butter. and not dry, throat desert peanut butter lol
And I just took the plunge and ordered one...
$60 and a mini, yay. http://www.elev8vape.com/sigelei-75w-temperature-control-mod/
just got the same thing a week ago. you'll be very impressed with how nice it looks. makes my ipv look homemade. temp control is awesome
I'm reading that you can't use contact coils... is that true? Going back to spaced coils, especially with soft wire, sounds like a pain.
yes, you must use ni200 nickel wire, its not nearly as easy to find in B&Ms, i bought a spool with my sigelei. I bought 24 gauge and have like 8 wraps (i forget the diameter) and it is at .08 ohms. single coil, and just wrap it loose. It actually isn't as bad as i was expecting. you'll get the hang of it fast.
All my flavors I make for others include a temperature recommendation. TC has changed vaping for me since I can now fine tune each liquid at preferred temps.
I vape all the metals (SS, titanium, ResisTherm) in a round robin fashion and each offers different tastes (maybe due to the different gauges, tho).
Most of my juices seem to do best between 205°C and 215°C but I have one bakery juice I vape at 185°C and a raspberry I'll crank up to 225°C.
The change in flavor between various temps is remarkable.
That's really great advice. I'll be doing a lot of experimenting with all my recipes and see what falls where, but that gives a good idea of where to aim.
Since using drippers and dual coil RTA's with my 350J I have cut my nic down to 1mg and cut my flavor and EM % in half. I am also mixing max VG instead of 50/50. Bigger clouds and more flavor. I have some TI wire coming tomorrow to see if I like that better than NI. I love TC. As soon as my IPV D2 shows up, or if, I will switch to all TC. My 350J and DNA200 are not exactly pocket friendly. I still use my IPV mini 2 for more stealth.
I've been using my new Sigelei 75W in TC mode as my DIY juice tester. I can chain vape the hell out of a new mix without fear of the dreaded dry hit. Using a single 24g titanium coil in my Plume Veil, 4 spaced wraps at 0.15 ohm. Titanium isn't directly supported by the Sigelei but lowering the temperature to around 350 F works perfectly fine. I don't use nickel because changing the wick tends to destroy those soft coils. Not an issue with titanium.
I personally adore TC and have used it since day one for DIY. While using Steam-Engine.org heat flux numbers to estimate the best settings for testing juice at for universally consistent flavoring is ok, it's even better to get to try it at different temperatures to replicate the different temperatures that occur in different RDAs/builds/settings in the real world.
A whole other benefit is that on nickel coils in RDAs or tanks, you can vape the wicks entirely dry and drip your next test flavor without overlap/interference, so you don't have to keep rewicking or use a bunch of attys to test different versions of recipes or different flavors.
Temperature control is the future of vaping, for so many reasons. The Zephyrus and Smok TCT dual-series Ni200 coils both go up to 80W easily, and the vape from them is incredibly good. There is no reason left not to enjoy TC, especially with Ti wire becoming standard now, which allows builds of all types and higher wattage limits. That's why the Whiteout DNA200 has no lower limit on TC wattage, and the Ti modes for YiHi chips are offering 100W+ now too. We're entering the golden age of TC nowadays, and the price of entry for a good 40W TC device is $25 now for an iStick 40W.
I'm a TC fanatic and I'm working on my own TC algorithms as part of the community development efforts in /r/cloudmaker, so feel free to ask me anything about how TC works.
I've been following you guys, I'm really looking forward to getting your devices. I upgrade gear not as often as I'd like and just got into TC but a device with interchangeable parts just sounds amazing. I've already noticed I can switch flavors when the wick dries without major flavor creep which is really great. It's nice to see it expand out and I hope more people get into it, it took me a while to get into it but it's so worth it.
Just got into mods and now want to get into diy e juice. With TC I'm just wondering how deep the rabbit hole goes. Oh brother :-/
The rabbit hole does indeed run very deep. Honestly, it's up to you to decide how far you want to go. I only got into DIY because I got tired of paying too much for liquid that I didn't enjoy and wanted to take matters into my own hands. I got into TC because I happened to have a little extra money and wanted to treat myself, but I was perfectly happy with my mod set ups previously. Don't feel pressured to push yourself too far too fast, if you find a spot where you are satisfied then that's all that matters.
Awesome. I got the kangertech subox mini starter kit almost a month ago and I'm still loving it, but I'm going through juice 3x faster then when I had a pen. It's fun to mod it and figure out what I like, and def trying to just enjoy the journey rather than reach a specific end other than being satisfied.
I got the same exact kit not that long ago, and I'm in love with it. It's my go to travel device when I'm out and about or at work. I like my TC device, but I leave it at home. It's pretty bulky and I don't like dripping on the go. Again it's all personal preference. I am very happy with my subox and I can see that lasting you a while before needing to upgrade.