One of the things i keep running into whenever I try and go rogue is not knowing how to achieve certain flavor profiles.. So i'm going to try this out and see how it goes.. I want to post a recipe that i'm working on and get feedback from you guys (who have helped so much already), on "what the hell am i doing wrong?"
Here is a peanut butter brownie recipe I wanted to try.
The chocolate fudge brownie flavor from CAP tastes really good by itself.. As soon as I add the peanut butter in, i feel like the fudge dies out really heavily.. Since I have no idea what i'm doing, i took the Bronuts recipe concept and tried to alter it into this:
Ingredient|ml|g|% :---|---:|---:|---: Nicotine juice 100 mg (100% VG)|0.2|0.25|2 PG dilutant|1.66|1.72|16.6 VG dilutant|6.8|8.58|68 Caramel (FLV)|0.1|0.1|1 Chocolate Fudge Brownie (CAP)|0.7|0.7|7 INAWERA Flavours">INW Biscuit|0.07|0.07|0.7 Joy (FA)|0.07|0.07|0.7 Peanut Butter (TPA)|0.4|0.4|4 Totals|10|11.89|100
Strength: 2mg/ml
PG/VG: 30/70
Flavor total: 1.3 ml (13.4%)
Can you give me some ideas on how to.. separate the peanut butter and brownie flavors? I want both of them to sort of vape on their own levels.. This just tastes off to me.. The peanut butter is dull and the fudge is dull.. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
This is exactly how posts should be when asking for feedback. And mainly what I like to see on the front page(but I'm not a mod nor important figure, so...). You're an OK newbie in my books.
That being said, if the flavors are too similar, they won't stand out on their own. I believe that's the case with this flavor, since chocolate and peanut butter are very similar IMO. A way you may be able to separate them is adding in a small amount of AP10% to the mix. I've never used it myself, but it's been said to help accentuate dessert flavors well, and will at least bring a distinction to the peanut butter aspect.
The way I would change the recipe to reach your desired results, however, would be to increase one of the flavors, that way it is more prominent on the inhale, and leave(or lower) the other so as to have it more on the exhale/back of the tongue. In this case, I'd increase the brownie to 8% and drop the peanut butter to 2.5%.
Ah man, thanks a lot. This is exactly how i'd like the feedback too :). I suppose finding the problem first helps get some good answers back.
I've used AP10% before, but sadly, only because a recipe told me to. I heard it gives a 'nutty' taste, but didn't know it could help make flavors more distinct. That's great to know. Makes perfect sense why it would help with the peanut butter.
I'm going to go mix 8% and 2.5% with AP and i'll let you know how my progress goes. Thanks very much man.
With the help of these two wonderful people. This recipe is making some promising progress.
Here is the updated recipe:
Ingredient|ml|g|% :---|---:|---:|---: Nicotine juice 100 mg (100% VG)|0.2|0.25|2 PG dilutant|1.66|1.72|16.6 VG dilutant|6.8|8.58|68 Acetyl Pyrazine 10%|0.05|0.05|0.5 Caramel (FLV)|0.1|0.1|1 Chocolate Fudge Brownie (CAP)|0.8|0.8|8 INAWERA Flavours">INW Biscuit|0.07|0.07|0.7 Joy (FA)|0.07|0.07|0.7 Peanut Butter (TPA)|0.25|0.25|2.5 Totals|10|11.89|100
Strength: 2mg/ml
PG/VG: 30/70
Flavor total: 1.3 ml (13.4%)
The fudge is instantly back into play. I can taste it perfectly and it's just where I wanted it to be. The peanut butter at this percent acts as a vehicle for the fudge brownie. It's not overpowering and it's right there under the surface. Gives the fudge this smoothness almost.. It almost makes me want to add some other form of nuttiness to back up the peanut butter.. I've been trying to get a chocolate and peanut butter vape going for a while... I think this is the recipe that'll satisfy me.
It's still can have work done to it.. I'm going to keep playing.. But i really appreciate the notes and it's helping me move this along.. ANy other ideas would be greatly appreciated.. Will keep updated.
If you can find it you might wanna try adding a hint of INW Peanuts, I heard it works well to accentuate peanut butter flavors. Never tried it myself though.
yeah that sounds awesome.. kind of what i was thinking just had no idea what company to try.. i tried CAP peanut butter and it had a really chalky taste.. It was interesting but a little too much for me.. I really like the taste of TFA peanut butter but would like to empower it instead of just rising %'s.. I will definitely try and find this flavor. thanks man
I was actually going to recommend what /u/skiddlzninja said. try AP10%
to expand a little on what he said, many of these flavors use similar aroma molecules and when you have too many of the same it becomes muted. Now I don't know for sure but I'm willing to bet that the fudge and peanut butter have similar aroma molecules causing their muted flavor.
That said I am lead to also advise this. try cutting down some on the fudge (seems how it's at 7% you have more lee way with that one)
Maybe cut it to 5% and just see what happens. messing with %'s back and forth can and will change a recipe sometimes minor and sometimes drastically. remember your playing with a bunch of chemicals and aroma molecules and the amounts will react differently with each other at every %
if you play around with %'s and that doesn't seem to get you what you want then yes i would recommend the AP as that will bring back the nuttiness of the peanut butter, then if the fudge is still muted try lowering it a little and introducing another chocolate. Personally I prefer Inawera chocolates usually, if you want a start reference.
Keep up the good mixing!! :)
WIll do man. The AP helped pretty quickly in the recipe when I raised the fudge.. But, I also lowered the peanut butter..
So i'm going to keep playing with different %'s now and try and get this really solid..
Adding in some extra chocolate sounds pretty interesting too.. Lots of great ideas to play with now.
Thanks for the feedback man i really appreciate it.
Not that I'm super experienced, I've just been at it a few months, but as /u/skiddlzninja said, this is exactly how a noob post should be.
I appreciate seeing your thought process, and you actually posting the recipe, and the helpful feedback from others. Good luck with your recipe!
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