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The evils of TPA Strawberry (Ripe)
submitted over 10 years ago by hans_cholo

I love this flavor. Fresh mixed its great, but after a week it looses its flavor then becomes incredibly harsh with a wicked throat hit after two weeks. Unfortunately, this does not lend well to mixing it with custards and creams which I like to steep for >= 2 weeks. Although creamy strawberries are my favorite category of vape to use Strawberry (Ripe).

I have 30+oz of Strawberry (Ripe) left but I am thinking of retiring it completely. I have found Sweet Strawberry (CAP), Strawberry (FA), and Strawberry (TPA) great for longevity but not close to the awesome fresh flavor of (Ripe).

Anyone else having the same experience with (Ripe)? Anyone have luck with manipulating other Strawberries to get a close resemblance? Is NF/MF Strawberry worth it?

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11 points
 
by prokreatover 10 years ago

I've not had that issue with strawberry ripe at all.

12 points
 
by dontgetaddictedover 10 years ago

Me either. And Strawberry Ripe is like Franks Red Hot Sauce for me. I put that shit in everything.

3 points
 
by Enyawreklawover 10 years agoMixologist

The only issue I have with it is that I use it too much. It's like a crutch.

1 points
 
by Discchordover 10 years ago

Ha! I've been feeling the same way lately. I'm forcing myself to try new things. Right now I'm playing with TFA Strawberry and CAP Sweet Strawberry at 1:1, based on a comment I read here. It's good...

But it could probably use some Strawberry Ripe!

0 points
 
by iKrunkover 10 years ago

Fuck yea!

4 points
 
by abdadaover 10 years ago

Strawberry Ripe has a crap ton of maltol in it. Add it to any other concentrate that has maltol and the combo erases other "minor" flavors.

2 points
 
by NotCharlesMansonover 10 years ago

Have an example?

10 points
 
by abdadaover 10 years ago

Consider cream concentrates -- most also have high maltol. So if strawberry ripe is 7% maltol and 7% each of 3-4 other volatiles and you mix in TFA Vanilla Custard which might be 8% maltol and 3-4 other major volatiles, you end up with a flavor that has 7-8% maltol total but the other volatiles are HALF their v/w.

Maltol overpowers the reduced ratio other volatiles, producing the muted flavor.

Also be aware that vanillin is commonly used as a taste masking volatile (google vanillin taste masking). Vanillin with maltol can have an additive masking that is a challenge.

4 points
 
by NotCharlesMansonover 10 years ago

This is why I miss you on here. Many thanks!

1 points
 
by Jtetsukiover 10 years ago

What is maltol? Ethyl maltol or something else?

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by TomHanksDiedover 10 years agoPâtissier

Alot of my juices that I feel certain flavors don't steep well in I'll write the MG of the flavor I want to add in it and simply add it after steep. I also do this with additives.

This led to me steeping it without nicotine and adding it after. The juice barely changes color this way.

3 points
 
by happinessanddisasterover 10 years ago

What if you mix up the rest, let it steep, and just add the strawberry prior to using it?

2 points
 
by skiddlzninjaover 10 years agoFrugivore

I've never experienced this from strawberry ripe. If anything, CAP sweet strawberry seems to do what you're describing in my mixes, I can't figure out something useful for that flavor for the life of me.

2 points
 
by WaterFlourYeastover 10 years agoPâtissier

This isn't really relating to the post, but I just spilled about 50 mls of strawberry ripe on my carpet 10 minutes ago.

1 points
 
by _Laughmore_over 10 years ago

I've only used it 2-4% as a red-sweetener, following other's recipes like Cereal Milk for the Children. I've noticed an edge developing after a week or so, not familiar with 2+ weeks (guess that means I should make bigger batches)

The edge works in context but I prefer a rounder final profile too. I like FA strawberry's background and high notes 1-4%

1 points
 
by beut182over 10 years ago

I'd be glad to take it off your hands =)

1 points
 
by Jtetsukiover 10 years ago

I love it. I use it at 5% or less though. Maybe you're using too high of a percentage?

1 points
 
by hans_choloover 10 years ago

Thanks for the feedback everyone! Taking /u/abdada suggestion I set out to compile the component list for a recipe that suffers particularly bad from fade and harshness with (RIPE):

Strawberry Ripe (TFA) 6.00%

Bavarian Cream (TFA) 1.50%

Sweet Cream (TFA) 1.50%

Fresh Cream (FA) 1.50%

Meringue (FA) 1.50%

Vanillin (TFA) 1.00%

I got as far as gathering the components for TPA:

--TFA Strawberry (Ripe)--

Propylene Glycol 57-55-6 >= 10%

Butyrate <2-methyl-, ethyl-> 7452-79-1 >= 1% and < 10%

Butyrate <ethyl-> 105-54-4 >= 1% and < 10%

Pineapple ketone 3658-77-3 >= 1% and < 10%

Maltol 118-71-8 >= 1% and < 10%

Butanoic acid, 2-methyl- 116-53-0 < .5%

3-Hexen-1-ol, (Z)- 928-96-1 < .5%

Hex-(3Z)-enyl acetate 3681-71-8 < .5%

Butanoate <butyl-> 109-21-7 < .5%

ethyl caproate 123-66-0 < .5%

--Bavarian Cream--

Ethyl Vanillin 121-32-4 >= 10%

Vanillin 121-33-5 >= 10%

Ethyl Maltol 11/8/4940 >= 10%

Cyclotene/Corylone 765-70-8 >= 1% and < 10%

Veratraldehyde 120-14-9 >= 1% and < 10%

Guaethol <propenyl-> 94-86-0 < 1%

Coumarin <3,4-dihydro-> 119-84-6 < .5%

Acetoin 513-86-0 < .5%

--Sweet Cream--

Propylene Glycol 57-55-6 >= 10%

Butyric acid 107-92-6 < 1%

Vanillin 121-33-5 >= 1% and < 10%

Acetoin 513-86-0 < 1%

Octalactone <gamma-> 104-50-7 < .5%

Unfortunately I cannot find the MSDS lists for any of Flavourart. In what I have for TPA I see instances of ethyl maltol and vanillin repeating, I will completely omit adding vanillin if I mix this again, but from what I have there are no redundant instances of maltol.

Anyone know where to get the MSDSs for Flavourart? I will compile all info and do a detailed post if anyone can point me in the right direction.

Thanks and much love DIY_Fam

edit: formatting and 4th grade level grammar.

1 points
 
by KingGuardianover 10 years ago

You may be able to file a ticket directly with Flavour Art and get that info. I contacted them requesting the specific gravity weights for all of their flavors and they sent me two PDF files the next day.

1 points
 
by sleepinmonkeyover 10 years agoProud Sidebar Reader!

My strawberry ripe cream recipe. Have heat steeped and have let it steep for several weeks. It does not lose its flavor and has more a nesquick strawberry milk flavor. If you want to use it the recipe is all TFA flavors. Strawberry Ripe-9% Sweet Cream-3% Cotton Candy-1% Bavarian Cream-1% Added note it also taste really good if you add 2% Blueberry Wild (TFA). Hope you enjoy the recipe, hope it helps. Sorry I'm on mobile and do not know how to format the recipe right on mobile.

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by SirJimmyJamsover 10 years ago

Just a thought. Could you work out the ratios of the juice that you'd like to make (the strawberry and cream, then mix the juice WITHOUT the strawberry in it, age it for about 2 weeks then before you go to use it mix in the strawberry fresh. would that work?

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