New device from makers of Pax claims to provide higher nicotine absorption with addition of nicotine salts. Specifically Benzoic Acid. Thoughts?

submitted over 10 years ago by cremestick

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13 points

by prokreatover 10 years ago

i dont need higher nic absorption... i am down to 1mg/ml and sometimes that can feel like too much. im in it for the flavor now.

1 points

by zebigbadvulfover 10 years agoMixologist

Down to 1mg here too and it can be overwhelming after a little chain vaping. Dropping down to .5mg next month.

2 points

by cremestickover 10 years ago

Agreed but for a lot of people who are trying to quit analogs they miss the rush that comes with the first hit. This could be a way to get that rush while replacing the habit, and eventually you could work to wean off of it.

2 points

by zebigbadvulfover 10 years agoMixologist

I think that is a valid argument for egos and cigalikes and it could be a game changer. As for actual mods that produce decent vapor I don't believe this ingredient is needed to achieve the "rush".

6 points

by shewolf1xover 10 years agoProud Sidebar Reader!

Might have been good for people like me. 24mg wasn't enough in a tank. I had to drip it to get away from cigarettes. Now I'm dropping nic easily, but before it was hard.

3 points

by cremestickover 10 years ago

This could be good for vapers who don't have a lot of time (i.e. "smoke break") this way you could quickly get that buzz, even from a few pulls of a tank.

3 points

by drunkjakeover 10 years ago

Ah yesssss, 24 mg dripper master race here. Can get shit faced and not want cigarettes.

3 points

by ArenOover 10 years ago

I knew I wasn't the only one!

5 points

by cali_vaprover 10 years ago

I love vaping, it's the best thing out there to quit smoking, but the rush is something that I miss. A couple weeks ago I was having some drinks with the family and someone busted out their analogs and I was tempted and I finally gave in after an hour of 2nd hand smoke. I lit up and and after 2 drags I felt the rush! (Lightheaded, legs felt super light, tingling sensation) It felt good. Next day I felt like shit. My chest and throat hurted. My clothes and I stank. I'd rather stick to vaping. But if they can incorporate the rush to vaping then they would have a huge market.

1 points

by vigg-o-ramaover 10 years ago

I could be wrong here, but i think part of the "rush" of a cigarette, is that you are inhaling both nicotine (a stimulant which constricts blood vessles) and carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide, which are both not oxygen.. so the "rush" is a combiation effect that lowers your overall oxygen saturation in your blood stream.

I too miss the rush, but I have since learned that I am really a CO an CO2 junkie and not really a nicotine addict.

4 points

by iamgr3mover 10 years ago

The rush is mostly from the MAOI's that are added

1 points

by VapeQueen214over 10 years ago

I definitely will get a rush if I drip 12mg lol, most of my friends carry a bottle of higher nicotine juice when we are drinking, helps to cut the craving IMO. Maybe its all in our heads though haha.

5 points

by sorennordstromover 10 years ago

59mg/ml is absolutely unnecessary.

2 points

by Sandman0over 10 years ago

It is if you want to give the claimed nicotine rush from what is basically a glorified cigalike.

At 60mg/ml I'm not convinced that they really need the "nicotine salts" to achieve that effect.

2 points

by cremestickover 10 years ago

The device itself looks pretty nifty if not for proprietary caps. I wonder if it's possible to refill/rebuild it with your own supplies.

2 points

by HexCoilsover 10 years ago

I'm sure it's possible, but I have no doubt they've taken notes from the inkjet manufacturers in regards to refilling.

1 points

by captaincannibalover 10 years ago

Keep in mind that different forms of a substance can have different effects. The salt could be the same as 12mg/ml but have much better absorption (longer effects for example).

2 points

by captaincannibalover 10 years ago

Its interesting. /r/nootropics might be able to actually discuss it better than we could here.

Benzoic acid is also used as a decongestant in inhalers IIRC so.. maybe that could help the nicotine be better absorbed? Not really sure.

2 points

by Hodorhohodorover 10 years ago

My guess would be that the benzoic acid acts as a buffer to supply more "free base" nicotine, which is Nicotine's deprotonated form that's more easily absorbed by the body.

2 points

by Devo9090over 10 years agoFrugivore

> How long does a charge last?

> A full charge will last approximately the same amount of time it takes to finish one JUULpod.

seriously?

edit: nvm

> How many puffs can I get on a full charge?

> About 200 puffs = one JUULpod

2 points

by AlphaX3over 10 years ago

And their JUULpod's are equivalent to one pack of cigarettes, on their website they say $15.99 for one JUULpod. Which is crazy considering, depending on the recipe, we can make the equivalent of cartons for only a couple of bucks.

2 points

by StandingByToStandByover 10 years ago

I quit smoking because of cost.

Fuck that noise.

1 points

by Devo9090over 10 years agoFrugivore

Well, maybe not if you're smoking Spirits, ha... but yes I agree

2 points

by SeanMooreover 10 years ago

That's a nice graph. Do they have any science to back it up?

1 points

by Enyawreklawover 10 years agoMixologist

I personally believe it's all bullshit marketing tactics.

3 points

by cremestickover 10 years ago

But...but there's a chart!