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Clarification on steeping.
submitted over 10 years ago by Omgimaspider

I've read quite a bit on it and every one says the same thing something to the effect that flavor changes or blends. But I don't see anything about how it changes. I'm stuck on what I've been noticing: First after mixing, the flavor is potent; in that I mean flavorful. After ~3 days, I notice the flavor seems to get flat or dull. I'm guessing this is one example of how the flavor "changes" but what I really wanted to know is that if I give it even more time, will the flavor come back to being potent or flavorful again? Is it like a weird in-between time where while it's blending together the flavor gets muted?

I've tried multiple different %'s of flavoring (as low as 6% total of flavoring up to 20% total) and regardless of the amount I use, the 'blandness' always kinds of ends up around the same richness of flavor (or lack thereof).

Admittedly, the longest I could stand waiting has been 1 week. I realize that I look foolish for not at least waiting and seeing. but It recently occurred to me that It might be beneficial to wait 2-3 weeks to see if the flavor comes back; and I would be rather disappointed to wait that long and see no changes. Can anyone comment on this time of thing happening. I would greatly appreciate it.

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by 0BiLLi0over 10 years ago

Some liquids need 3 days, some need 3 weeks. But "needing" doesn't mean it's not good untill that time, it just means it will get its full flavor.

For example, one of my DIY flavors (pear and chocolate) is awesome without steep and crappy after because the chocolate takes longer to get noticed and I don't like it.

But from my experience, with max VG, steep doesn't affect it as much as the ones with PG.

I mix them in glass bottles, wait at least 2 weeks, fill the plastic bottles and then I vape.

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by chocki305over 10 years ago

All of your mixes have PG. Max VG means nothing beyond "I used as little PG as I could". PG is used in flavorings as the carrier.

While you are not wrong, your second to last sentence is evidence of why "max VG" shouldn't be used when describing the pg to vg ratio.

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by _Laughmore_over 10 years ago

I thought max VG was shorthand for as much VG as the recipe allows, like a filler

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by chocki305over 10 years ago

It is.. but it isn't. Saying "max vg" still doesn't tell you the ratio. Nearly every flavor has PG as its base liquid. So you could have a 90% flavor base liquid and say max vg. It is a buzz word. The ratio depends upon the flavors and additives used in the recipe. So a recipe mixed for max vg would not add any extra pg beyond what is in the flavorings, additives, and nicotine (if any). But that mix still has some pg, and depending upon the recipe that means between 7-30%.

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by 0BiLLi0over 10 years ago

I mix my liquids max VG which means I only put the amount of PG I'm forced to by the flavor manufacturer. From 90/10 to 85/15 (VG/PG).

I also mix for a friend of mine at about 70/30. These improve with time, mine almost don't. That's my point.

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by torturedzenover 10 years ago

Honesty, I've never waited longer than 5 days when aging my juice. I just shake the shit out of the mix and let it breathe for a few hours. And some people will disagree with me, but I don't use any other method than time itself. Crockpots, ultrasonics, thermos or whatever are un-necessary, in my opinion.

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by skiddlzninjaover 10 years agoFrugivore

The flavor won't come back. What happens during steeping (and why you notice that no matter the %, they reach the same richness) is the flavors fall into an actual solution; or as close as they can to one. What flavor can't be forced into the solution will be vented off, which is why people recommend 20 minutes of venting your steeping bottles per day; to let off any EtOH or aroma molecules that can't fall into solution.

While I don't agree with your statement that different %s result in the same richness, I hope this helps with your understanding.

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by Omgimaspiderover 10 years ago

Yes, it does actually. Im thinking about it all wrong. I think i understand why people use so many different flavors now. That's makes things more complicated. Thanks.

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by prokreatover 10 years ago

Depends on what you are mixing. Some of my stuff evolves over time. Some can shake and vape. Some take time for flavors to mELD and balance.

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by BuryMeInSmokeover 10 years ago

It's largely recipe dependant.

I mix a lot of juice at once and I'll vape the juice over the next (at least) four weeks. I'll try it within a day or so of mixing then a week later, then in another week and so on. The key is mixing 7+ recipes at once so you can rotate them each day. You'll find some are the same on day one as they are four weeks later, some aren't vapeable after a few weeks and some don't really shine until week three.

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